Jump to content


US FTC COPPA act about to hit YT/Twitch HARD Pass the word

COPPA FTC Youtube Twitch CC

  • Please log in to reply
75 replies to this topic

Wanderjar #1 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 15:38

    Corporal

  • Players
  • 28458 battles
  • 82
  • [SHIRE] SHIRE
  • Member since:
    08-05-2013

I honestly wish I was joking about this.

Youtube is already working on this, but the Settlement with the FTC is about to basically nuke YT and content creators. please help spread and pass the word
From an actual lawyer:


the actual law:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/312.2  

Block Quote

 In determining whether a Web site or online service, or a portion thereof, is directed to children, the Commission will consider its subject matter, visual content, use of animated characters or child-oriented activities and incentives, music or other audio content, age of models, presence of child celebrities or celebrities who appeal to children, language or other characteristics of the Web site or online service, as well as whether advertising promoting or appearing on the Web site or online service is directed to children. The Commission will also consider competent and reliable empirical evidence regarding audience composition, and evidence regarding the intended audience.

 which is 

Games
Animation
Toys/Models
Popular songs/funny Voices/Cartoon Voices
Flashing Words/Fast Moving text/Bright colors

Any topic or video that contains: "appealing to children" Music, sports, stories, toys, pets, snack foods etc

More info https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions

Less important but still note worthy from a non-lawyer:

this is not just Youtube or Twitch policy, this is The FEDs.

This affects ALL Content creators not just US based ones.
CCs can be fined up to $42,000 per video if the FTC thinks its for kids based on if the video contains:

Get the word out!
1 - Leave a comment for the FTC! → https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=FTC-2019-0054-0001

2 - Sign the Petition! → https://www.change.org/p/youtubers-and-viewers-unite-against-ftc-regulation

3 - Spread the word! Every Bit Helps!

Watch the full FTC COPPA conference here →
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/audio-video/video/ftc-press-conference-settlement-google-youtube

Guys, Please take the time to let your favorite CC (WOT or otherwise) know about this. Dec 9 is the final comment date before this becomes effective Jan 1 2020
 


Edited by Wanderjar, Nov 20 2019 - 16:39.


venom286 #2 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 17:07

    Captain

  • Players
  • 43963 battles
  • 1,405
  • Member since:
    11-08-2012
Big sigh, I am getting a headace.

Wanderjar #3 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 17:27

    Corporal

  • Players
  • 28458 battles
  • 82
  • [SHIRE] SHIRE
  • Member since:
    08-05-2013
i know right?

Da_Craw #4 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 17:43

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 28104 battles
  • 3,330
  • Member since:
    05-30-2014
Mark everything kids content.  Advertisers are not prevented from marketing to the viewers, they just can't get their cookies.  If you think advertisers can't figure out what to market on videos targeted at kids without the individual cookies, ask yourself how they figured out what ads to put on Saturday morning cartoons.  I don't recall a lot of Volvo ads on the commercial breaks of G.I.Joe.

spud_tuber #5 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 17:59

    Major

  • Players
  • 59805 battles
  • 9,078
  • Member since:
    08-26-2013
The good news for WoT creators is that the game itself is rated above that age cutoff, so no sane person should think WoT videos are for kids.

The bad news is the rules and decisions are going to be made by a bureaucracy, so sane people are likely in short supply.

RG_Notch #6 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 18:16

    First lieutenant

  • Beta Testers
  • 29263 battles
  • 981
  • Member since:
    09-01-2010

View PostWanderjar, on Nov 20 2019 - 09:38, said:

I honestly wish I was joking about this.

Youtube is already working on this, but the Settlement with the FTC is about to basically nuke YT and content creators. please help spread and pass the word
From an actual lawyer:


the actual law:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/312.2  

 which is 

Games
Animation
Toys/Models
Popular songs/funny Voices/Cartoon Voices
Flashing Words/Fast Moving text/Bright colors

Any topic or video that contains: "appealing to children" Music, sports, stories, toys, pets, snack foods etc

More info https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions

Less important but still note worthy from a non-lawyer:

this is not just Youtube or Twitch policy, this is The FEDs.

This affects ALL Content creators not just US based ones.
CCs can be fined up to $42,000 per video if the FTC thinks its for kids based on if the video contains:

Get the word out!
1 - Leave a comment for the FTC! → https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=FTC-2019-0054-0001

2 - Sign the Petition! → https://www.change.org/p/youtubers-and-viewers-unite-against-ftc-regulation

3 - Spread the word! Every Bit Helps!

Watch the full FTC COPPA conference here →
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/audio-video/video/ftc-press-conference-settlement-google-youtube

Guys, Please take the time to let your favorite CC (WOT or otherwise) know about this. Dec 9 is the final comment date before this becomes effective Jan 1 2020
 

Good I hope this passes. 



churchill50 #7 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 18:25

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 20881 battles
  • 2,201
  • [SNPAI] SNPAI
  • Member since:
    05-17-2014

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 10:16, said:

Good I hope this passes. 


Mind if I ask why?



RG_Notch #8 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 18:42

    First lieutenant

  • Beta Testers
  • 29263 battles
  • 981
  • Member since:
    09-01-2010

View Postchurchill50, on Nov 20 2019 - 12:25, said:


Mind if I ask why?

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 



churchill50 #9 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 18:46

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 20881 battles
  • 2,201
  • [SNPAI] SNPAI
  • Member since:
    05-17-2014

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 10:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 


So, basically, your view is "Doesn't affect me, so screw you"? Great outlook on life dude. Truly a shining example to us all.

 

I don't like Claus either tbh. But, if other people do, who am I to tell them they're wrong? Entertainment is an entirely subjective opinion.

Same for YouTube/Twitch creators who make a living off of it. Who am I to tell them they can't make a living doing what they're doing? They're not scamming people or harming them in any other way. If you don't like them, don't watch them. It's literally as simple as that.



sranjebarn_Specialist #10 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 18:56

    Sergeant

  • -Players-
  • 250 battles
  • 142
  • [PROPW] PROPW
  • Member since:
    12-19-2016

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 18:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 

 

Welp you and your generation will be gone soon and  nothing of value will be lost.



Da_Craw #11 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 18:59

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 28104 battles
  • 3,330
  • Member since:
    05-30-2014

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 11:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 

You're from the different generation, like me, that scratched their head and said "why don't you just go PLAY Fortnite, instead of watching someone else play it?"  My son said "Why don't you just go PLAY football?"  Touche.  

 

I'm not happy about the draconian penalty system of COPPA, but the lament that advertisers won't pay for ads on kids content is ridiculous.  The reason they wanted to advertise on kids content before, is because kids are a valuable marketing target.  That doesn't change.  All that changes is that the ads get slightly less effective.  If you want to sell the G.I.Joe with the kung-fu grip, you'd sure love to market to kids who watch the most combat oriented videos.  Can't do that now, so you just have to *gasp* revert to the same art used in the last 50 years and put your ads on the combat oriented videos that get the most kids watching.  Is it a ding to your effectiveness that your G.I. Joe ad doesn't show up when Johnnie watches a video about ants?  Sure.  End of the online marketing world?  Hardly.  



Blackstone #12 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 19:14

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 22197 battles
  • 2,333
  • [GFLC] GFLC
  • Member since:
    04-19-2011

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 12:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 


..and I mean this is the most sarcastic way possible.



steelandpain #13 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 19:50

    Staff sergeant

  • -Players-
  • 14114 battles
  • 432
  • Member since:
    05-03-2015

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 18:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 

^ What a [edited]-bag response...

 

Anyway, I think it's a good law, we don't need advertisers to target kids. Targeted advertising is very powerful, even on adults, it can swing elections, there is not reason to subject kids to that.

 

While I agree with others who think that the law is too subjective, and creates too much headache for new/small content creators, given lack of enforcement resources in FTC, it will only affect the most popular and egregious violators of the law.



24cups #14 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 19:57

    Major

  • Players
  • 24718 battles
  • 4,394
  • [D-DAY] D-DAY
  • Member since:
    01-25-2013

View Poststeelandpain, on Nov 20 2019 - 13:50, said:

given lack of enforcement resources in FTC

My thoughts exactly.  Good luck with foreign content contributors. Can't wait to see how they enforce US laws on , for instance,  some dude in Hongkong, Russia or wherever. 



RG_Notch #15 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 20:03

    First lieutenant

  • Beta Testers
  • 29263 battles
  • 981
  • Member since:
    09-01-2010

View Postchurchill50, on Nov 20 2019 - 12:46, said:


So, basically, your view is "Doesn't affect me, so screw you"? Great outlook on life dude. Truly a shining example to us all.

 

I don't like Claus either tbh. But, if other people do, who am I to tell them they're wrong? Entertainment is an entirely subjective opinion.

Same for YouTube/Twitch creators who make a living off of it. Who am I to tell them they can't make a living doing what they're doing? They're not scamming people or harming them in any other way. If you don't like them, don't watch them. It's literally as simple as that.

I know it is great isn't it. 



largeelvis #16 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 20:04

    First lieutenant

  • -Players-
  • 20489 battles
  • 833
  • Member since:
    02-03-2017

I was one of the first bloggers contacted when the FTC looked into business marketing via new media. I always posted a message if something was given or sponsored, but a lot of other bloggers did not. When Nikon gave cameras to prominent bloggers to review, that kind of kicked off a scandal (payola) and the ftc started coming up with guidelines for advertising and new media.

 

This current legislation while flawed, is heavily overdue. If you aren't familiar with what happened in csgo, it was one of the worst offenders. The csgo gambling boom targeted kids. Youtube csgo thorin moe, or csgo richard lewis tmartn syndicate if you want the broad strokes for what happened. And this was one game. It happened over and over again in a number of different titles, but again, csgo was one of the worst case scenarios. I met 2 kids in a competitive match, one lost 33 bets, a lot of them mid tier (over 10 dollars). The other one lost over 100 bets, many of them mid to high tier. I think they were both between 14-15. Hundreds or thousands of dollars lost, and they couldnt even drive yet. Turns out the gambling sites were being gamed by owners and content creators who were being paid and given odds on upcoming bets. Something needed to be done.

 

This doesn't have a lot to do with wot, but this is going to hammer a lot of other games and content creators.


Edited by largeelvis, Nov 20 2019 - 20:08.


steelandpain #17 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 20:10

    Staff sergeant

  • -Players-
  • 14114 battles
  • 432
  • Member since:
    05-03-2015

View Post24cups, on Nov 20 2019 - 19:57, said:

My thoughts exactly.  Good luck with foreign content contributors. Can't wait to see how they enforce US laws on , for instance,  some dude in Hongkong, Russia or wherever. 

They'll take their channel down on Twitch or YouTube or any other US based content site. They can also threaten legal action against foreign sites, at least for content that's available to US consumers. But again, this is unlikely to affect small time content creators.


Edited by steelandpain, Nov 20 2019 - 20:12.


Rides_with_Death #18 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 20:19

    Major

  • Players
  • 35523 battles
  • 2,539
  • [F0CUS] F0CUS
  • Member since:
    05-02-2011
Thank gawd for another victory of feelz over common sense..

Da_Craw #19 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 22:34

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 28104 battles
  • 3,330
  • Member since:
    05-30-2014

View PostRides_with_Death, on Nov 20 2019 - 13:19, said:

Thank gawd for another victory of feelz over common sense..

So are you chastising the law or the overreaction to it?



IndygoEEI #20 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 23:49

    Major

  • Players
  • 62074 battles
  • 6,159
  • [K-H] K-H
  • Member since:
    01-06-2012

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 12:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 


What do you like to watch?







Also tagged with COPPA, FTC, Youtube, Twitch, CC

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users