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Wanderjar #21 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 23:57

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The thing is, this affects even serious streamers. so say someone like AirG or Guidio are affected by this because they use endplates and catchy intros for a video made about a video game. all of which currently falls under the YT settlement agreement with the FTC.
 

View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 11:16, said:

Good I hope this passes. 

This is already a law from 1998 up for revision this year with most of that as guidance from child advocacy groups. The pushback is on how undefined it all is



AmericanRook #22 Posted Nov 21 2019 - 00:00

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Who knew that using children as moral meat-shields would result in updated, children-oriented regulations YouTube was ignoring to begin with? 

 

Shocking. Truly, shocking. 

 

 



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View PostDa_Craw, on Nov 20 2019 - 09:43, said:

Mark everything kids content.

 

This would be a TERRIBLE way for any content creator who isnt actually making content for kids to handle it. The restrictions that will be placed upon videos marked for kids pretty much precludes being able to grow a community on YouTube or have YouTube become a viable job.

 

In addition to YouTube not being able to serve targeted ads to viewers of those videos, the videos would:

 

- Have no comments

- Be unable to be favourited

- Have no end screens (like those that appear over the video at the end, with a link to the channel and otehr videos from that channel)

- Have no click through info-cards that appear during a video (the little 'i' in the upper right hand corner of the video)

- Channels marked as "For Kids" would be unable to have the community tab on the channel page.

 

Pretty much all forms of community building tools would be gone if creators just marked their videos 'for kids', in addition to less revenue because generic ads wont generate nearly as much for the creator as targeted ads would. This is aready going to hurt the creators that DO make content aimed at kids, and may catch everyone else in the crossfire.



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View PostAvalon304, on Nov 20 2019 - 18:08, said:

 

This would be a TERRIBLE way for any content creator who isnt actually making content for kids to handle it. The restrictions that will be placed upon videos marked for kids pretty much precludes being able to grow a community on YouTube or have YouTube become a viable job.

 

In addition to YouTube not being able to serve targeted ads to viewers of those videos, the videos would:

 

- Have no comments

- Be unable to be favourited

- Have no end screens (like those that appear over the video at the end, with a link to the channel and otehr videos from that channel)

- Have no click through info-cards that appear during a video (the little 'i' in the upper right hand corner of the video)

- Channels marked as "For Kids" would be unable to have the community tab on the channel page.

 

Pretty much all forms of community building tools would be gone if creators just marked their videos 'for kids', in addition to less revenue because generic ads wont generate nearly as much for the creator as targeted ads would. This is aready going to hurt the creators that DO make content aimed at kids, and may catch everyone else in the crossfire.

It's hilarious that people think making YT videos should be a job lol. I hope they put these losers out of business and make them get a real job. 



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I say the gov stay out, and parents, control your damn kids.

The_Pushok #26 Posted Nov 21 2019 - 01:19

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View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 19:13, said:

It's hilarious that people think making YT videos should be a job lol. I hope they put these losers out of business and make them get a real job. 

 

They provide entertainment all the same as other entertainers, of which some can make money off it it. It is no more/less a ridiculous thought than an actor pretending for a living, or s sports player playing a game for a living.

 

What would be stupid is knowing there is a market for something and ignoring it, even though you have the means to monetize off that market.



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View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 18:13, said:

It's hilarious that people think making YT videos should be a job lol. I hope they put these losers out of business and make them get a real job. 

So, is it hilarious that people think playing sports professionally should be a job?  Or acting, either on stage or in front of a tv or movie camera? What about making comics? Writing novels?  What about making video games?  Or, writing for a website or magazine that covers any of the above things? 



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View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 17:13, said:

It's hilarious that people think making YT videos should be a job lol. I hope they put these losers out of business and make them get a real job. 

 

I mean its hilarious that you have such an outdated view of the world... so... here we are.

 

The implication that content creation, like that done by thousands of people on YouTube, isnt a "real job" is so unbelievably naive that its sad. Im sure you think that all any content creator does is just sit back and play video games all day... but that ignores literally everything else about the process. That ignores that being an entertainer is a "real job" and ignores that editing and releasing videos is very often a very long and time consuming process, especially if you keep to a daily upload schedule like anyone who actually does it for a living (and not just as a hobby). Youtube, Twitch and other forms of content creation are no less a "real job" than working in an office or store, or doing manual labour for a living.

 

Just because youre incapable of being entertaining or recording and editing video doesnt make it not a "real job".



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you want to see real abuse in marketing to kids...you have to look no farther than any grocery store.

 

the ridiculous amounts of sugar loaded and otherwise stupidly unhealthy products specifically marketed to kids (packaging as well) is mind blowing...all with little to no regulation.

 

but clearly the food industry has more money to throw at politicians than the gaming community does.



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View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 19:13, said:

It's hilarious that people think making YT videos should be a job lol. I hope they put these losers out of business and make them get a real job. 


Do you even have hobbies outside of WoT?



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View PostIndygoEEI, on Nov 21 2019 - 01:30, said:


Do you even have hobbies outside of WoT?

 

Doubt it. As bad as he is at Tanks can you imagine him doing anything else? Think of woodworking....hed cut his hand off in the first 5 minutes. 



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This is ghe 80s cartoon advertising just for a new generation.

 

They preyed on kids then, rules got put in place. New medium preying on kids, rules get put in place. 



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View Postspud_tuber, on Nov 20 2019 - 19:23, said:

So, is it hilarious that people think playing sports professionally should be a job?  Or acting, either on stage or in front of a tv or movie camera? What about making comics? Writing novels?  What about making video games?  Or, writing for a website or magazine that covers any of the above things? 

Yup all those things are exactly like making funny voices and calling people stupids on YT videos. LOL honestly where would western civilization be without YT videos about video games. Hey go get laws passed that put those folks out of business if you like.  



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View PostAvalon304, on Nov 20 2019 - 19:25, said:

 

I mean its hilarious that you have such an outdated view of the world... so... here we are.

 

The implication that content creation, like that done by thousands of people on YouTube, isnt a "real job" is so unbelievably naive that its sad. Im sure you think that all any content creator does is just sit back and play video games all day... but that ignores literally everything else about the process. That ignores that being an entertainer is a "real job" and ignores that editing and releasing videos is very often a very long and time consuming process, especially if you keep to a daily upload schedule like anyone who actually does it for a living (and not just as a hobby). Youtube, Twitch and other forms of content creation are no less a "real job" than working in an office or store, or doing manual labour for a living.

 

Just because youre incapable of being entertaining or recording and editing video doesnt make it not a "real job".

Wow, dude don't worry you can try to make money off of playing video games too one day. Tell someone who really works for a living that is a job. I get that kids and those who spend their lives playing games think this is a job. Playing games and posting about is not a real job. Just because you can't get a real job doesn't make wasting time on YT a real job. 



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CS:GO gambling scene targeting kids, clickbait money farms on YT using games like Fortnite, Minecraft, GTA V, etc. (A few examples would be MrBossFTW on GTA V, O1G (Only1Gamer) on Minecraft, and the various God awful Fortnite clickbaiters that target kids.)

As long as the regulations that get set solve this problem, I'm all for it. If it brings problems to those inbreds who farm free money off of braindead/uneducated kids, then yeah, I'm all for it.

I myself have a very, very small channel, but it was easy as pie to select "Not for Kids" in my Creator Studio settings because yeah, I'm just someone who irregularly posts videos that are not specifically for kids. There is literally no problem there.

Anyone trying to make videos for kids will have to make video production-related sacrifices in order to make it specifically for kids, and this will help YouTube get rid of the "farmers" like O1G who make worthless content and have 1 million subscribers, almost all of whom consist of young kids who have no idea what they're watching, and thus creating free money and ad revenue for the "farmer".

If you seriously want to lose brain cells and have a strong will to die, do look up O1G's channel and marvel at all of the "Minecraft Horror Clickbait" and just see one video, see how nothing in it relates to what was advertised in both the title and the thumbnail. I've got a strong feeling this law, and the regulations, will fix that problem. No teenager or adult (or atleast a large majority of sane people) will legitimately watch effortless, useless content like that.



As for OP's concern, I'm pretty sure these regulations and such won't affect WoT's CCs. The game itself is rated T for Teen, kids get chased away by the toxic atmosphere, and the CCs can simply select one option in their Creator Studio, which should have barely any effect on them since if they're making quality, watchable content, they have absolutely nothing to worry about.

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View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 19:31, said:

Wow, dude don't worry you can try to make money off of playing video games too one day. Tell someone who really works for a living that is a job. I get that kids and those who spend their lives playing games think this is a job. Playing games and posting about is not a real job. Just because you can't get a real job doesn't make wasting time on YT a real job. 

 

Oh sweet sunshine, I have a "real job"... but Im also not stuck living in the 1920s, so Im capable of realizing that just because it doesnt conform to the traditional work schedule that Youtuber or Twitch streamer isnt a "real job". Its just as much of a real job as being an actor is. Or a musician. Or an athlete. Or any other entertainment based profession that exists in the world.

 

My advice to you... stop living in the 1920s... its not a good look for you and makes you look both naive and intolerant.

 

EDIT: Oh and by the way... if I was Youtuber making as much as some of the people I watch on Youtube Id be more that proud to tell anybody who works in an office or store, or whatever else you consider a "real job" that I was a Youtuber. 


Edited by Avalon304, Nov 21 2019 - 05:22.


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Why do I doubt, for some inexplicable reason, that RG_Notch is actually from an older generation? Could just be my dislike for the pablum of "job x does not meet my subjective criteria, therefore it is not a real job." So long as it is not illegal, any job is to be valued, from the weirdo on youtube, to the folks busting their butts bringing in the harvest. Comments like RG_Notch's aren't old fashioned, they are just narrow minded.
I applaud the protection of kids, but vague legislation is a definite issue that can do more harm than good.

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Logan Paul loses again.

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View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 18:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 

 

Ok boomer



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View PostRG_Notch, on Nov 20 2019 - 12:42, said:

Nothing of value will be lost and lots of junk will be removed. All this is about "creators" making bank off of kids. I'm from a different generation and don't waste my time watching people play games so Twitch can go away and I will not notice. As to the YT "creators" hey too bad, get a real job. If this means morons like Claus can't make cash off of their stupidity I say go COPPA. 

In fact I'm going to go to the FTC to support this, thanks for the heads up. 

Ok boomer...







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