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Atragon #1 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 21:08

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My Core I5-2500K Sandy Bridge is showing it age although still doing OK. Its about time for a new computer while I have the funds..

 

Do I wait until after xmas or get one around Black Friday ?

 

Are there any good off the shelf deals Online ? Best Buy is the only place in CT that has any good selection but are pricey ?

 

Should I try and stay with WIN-7 64 Bit Pro ?

 

My budget is $900.

 

I need to hook up a TV (cloned) with main monitor and a second monitor on its own that can go to onboard graphics or a separate card.

 

 

 



GenPanzer #2 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 21:32

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I checked out the iBuypower site due to the latest mission/contest and saw a prebuilt system that looked good. But I went to pcpartpicker and built the same system for about $300 less. the iBuypower system does come with a 3yr warranty, though. So is getting a warranty and not having to deal with putting it together yourself worth $300? For me, it's not, but to each their own.

 

My point is don't just look at a prebuilt and assume it's "worth it" without doing a little investigating yourself first. With $900, you can probably get some really good, upgraded, parts as you already have the case, kb, mouse, monitor, hard drives, and power supply. Upgrading only MB, cpu (and fan), memory, and video card is all you really need. Unless you don't like your case, kb, mouse, monitor, or want to upgrade to SSD, or your power supply is too weak. Using pcpartpicker is a great resource to investigating parts and prices. And building your own pc isn't nearly as hard or time consuming as one might think.



JakeTheMystic #3 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 21:51

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I'd suggest buying around cyber monday/black friday, I'd highly suggest Newegg since they have some pretty good deals there. 

 

Listings for Intel i7s:https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100897449%20601314311%204022&cm_sp=Tab_Gaming-Desktops_1-_-visnav-_-i7_5

Listings for the Ryzen 7s: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100897449%20601294506%20601321217%20601321219%20601341602%204022&cm_sp=Tab_Gaming-Desktops_2-_-VisNav-_-Ryzen-7_3

 

Both are the same price range, so it just comes down to what you are looking for in GPU/storage and most are pretty much similar, so if anything it's just aesthetics. I wouldn't go with the 1060 anymore if you can get one with the 1660 or better, other than that it's really just finding whatever has the most storage and more recent hardware. 

 

Sales like this can pop up: https://www.newegg.com/abs-computer-technologies-fort-ali249/p/N82E16883102543R?Item=N82E16883102543R

1070 with the i7 8700 is a pretty great deal for around 900. The sale ends soon on that one in particular but you could find more like it around cyber monday. 

 

As for windows I'd just suggest windows 10 64-bit. I don't see why people are so afraid of windows 10 since windows 8 was complete trash. The early updates were pretty frequent and annoying, but not nearly as bad as they used to be. 

 

All in all, if you could build your own you would be able to save a lot more money and/or be able to buy newer stuff. Even if it was a friend/family member that could put it together for you, pre-built is going to give you less for your money than a custom build ever will. Good luck though! 



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I would use the above referenced site to build a whole new system.  I built a system that would have cost me roughly 5 K for about 1.2 K and a few  hours of my time.  3 years down the road, I am still able to far surpass all the recommended system requirements on all War Gaming, My.com, and Gaijin titales plus I had absolutely no issues running the Beta test of the latest Tom Clancy title.  So, I am still happy with it but plan to build one about mid 2020, if my financial(s) improve.

 

PS: It will be another all AMD, MSI, EVGA, CORSAIR build.  Insmel will not even be considered.


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Insanefriend #5 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 22:03

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View PostAtragon, on Nov 20 2019 - 14:08, said:

My Core I5-2500K Sandy Bridge is showing it age although still doing OK. Its about time for a new computer while I have the funds..

 

You could try to over clock the i5-2500k a little and get some extra life out of it.  Though this would depend on your mother board and if the system has a good cooling system.  The real thing to look at is do you even need to upgrade it?  What tasks do you find the processor holding you back on?  

 

Should I try and stay with WIN-7 64 Bit Pro ?

 

No upgrade to Windows 10, or run Linux, Win 7 is basically a dead operating system at this point and most new hardware doesn't even offer driver support.  Truth be told upgrading your current system to Windows 10 using your current Windows 7 key is still possible, they just don't let you know your able to.

 

I need to hook up a TV (cloned) with main monitor and a second monitor on its own that can go to onboard graphics or a separate card.

 

Most computer video cards have dual output, so this shouldn't be a problem assuming your secondary monitor has hdmi.

 

If you have any questions ask away!


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If you are into gaming then make sure that you get a discrete graphics card.  If you are handy with PCs then building a custom PC may be a good solution for you.  Pickup a copy of MAXIMUM PC for good examples on build outs.

dnaman #7 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 23:01

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Gonna echo the chorus on building your own.  It’s a ton cheaper and not that hard to do.  I walked a friend through his build over FaceTime from a couple states away.  AMD Ryzen chips are generally cheaper and have been at least on par with intel with the 3rd gen release this year.  They are blowing Intel away on muticore stuff.  I’ve built three systems in the last couple of years so I and my kids can play together.  I’d go AMD again with a good Nvidia graphics card were I to build again.  Cyber Monday is a good bet for good deals.  Good luck.

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Also, I suggest you build your own PC. It is really not difficult and save you a lot of money. If you are gaming get a graphics card and you play tanks, so yes..  Also, you can hunt for deals and not end up buying a lot of extras that you end up paying for. But, really don't care about or use. The one I am playing on now is my second one that I have built. I researched the parts I ended up buying and also watched a lot of utube on how to build a PC. After you do it once you wont go back and actually is fun. And you learn a lot about PC's witch is always handy. 

 

Oh, and stay away from windows 7. At the start of 2020 Microsoft will no longer support Windows 7. No more updates as in zero. No online or phone support if you ever need it. 


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Atragon #9 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 23:34

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Well thanks. OK Ill build another. Ive built PC's since the 386 processor. Only issue is, I keep them so long, when its time to upgrade I need to learn all the hardware available all over (wth this new BIOS etc). I think I had to do something funky with this BIOS before I could even install Windows) . Ive done both AMD and Intel.

 

My only 2 fully bought computers was my 8087 ($1200) and 200 MHz MMX ($2100).

 

I want a quality motherboard as the foundation, if it has onboard graphics and can be used with a dedicated card at the same time, I only need 1 GPU slot. My Asrock Z-77 can do this.

 

Amd or Intel Processor - I dont know which is better for gaming.

How many watts for Power supply - Thinking 700

Good air cooling for CPU 

Probably a RTX2080 card or 1060 Ti (I know nothing about AMD cards). 

A good case that does not fall apart has a bay for a DVD. I like Towers for wire management and air flow.

A 250GB SSD - I will re-use data drives.

16 GB Ram maybe 32.

 

Last but not least a good 64bit version of Win-10 wo the bloatware. Having no bloatware, disabling lots of services, not using aero etc. has been the key to having a good OS and a computer that runs well for years. I have Win 10 LTSC but I'll need a key for it.

 

Any suggestion for any of these components.

 

 


Edited by Atragon, Nov 20 2019 - 23:47.


dnaman #10 Posted Nov 20 2019 - 23:41

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I’d suggest going to build-gaming-computers.com and check out his suggested builds at various price points to get a rough idea.  I did that and swapped a couple of parts for things I was happier with.  

 

I wouldn't buy an AMD graphics card as they still aren’t up to the level Nvidia ones are right now, but I WOULD buy a Ryzen CPU.  They rock and the next generation WILL go into your motherboard as they promised to used the same slot for 4 generations.  

 

I really like my Asus ROG motherboard.  I got my PSU as a package discount with my graphics card through EVGA.  It cost me $30 even though it’s gold certified, etc due to the huge package discount.  

 

Just some thoughts 

 

PM me if you want and I’ll help how I can.



Klaatu_Nicto #11 Posted Nov 21 2019 - 02:11

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As some who can no longer post on these forums used to say, a top end i5 will play your games fine at the highest video settings. A couple of years ago I decided to find out if he was correct.

 

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View PostAtragon, on Nov 20 2019 - 17:34, said:

Well thanks. OK Ill build another. Ive built PC's since the 386 processor. Only issue is, I keep them so long, when its time to upgrade I need to learn all the hardware available all over (wth this new BIOS etc). I think I had to do something funky with this BIOS before I could even install Windows) . Ive done both AMD and Intel.

 

My only 2 fully bought computers was my 8087 ($1200) and 200 MHz MMX ($2100).

 

I want a quality motherboard as the foundation, if it has onboard graphics and can be used with a dedicated card at the same time, I only need 1 GPU slot. My Asrock Z-77 can do this.

 

Amd or Intel Processor - I dont know which is better for gaming.

 

AMD is currently beating the crap out of Intel.

 

How many watts for Power supply - Thinking 700

 

Looking at your GPU Thoughts, this is good enough and 100 watts maybe more then.  More on that

later...

 

Good air cooling for CPU 

 

Not an AMD guy, but I hear the coolers they ship with are excellent.  I do have a personal preference

to stay away from water cooling.

 

Probably a RTX2080 card or 1060 Ti (I know nothing about AMD cards). 

 

I'd actually wait to buy one.  There's a couple of things of things to go over...

 

Here's the deal, it's rumored that Nvidia 3000 RTX series is coming soon in Early 2020.  That's next

year.  The problem here is you have to ask yourself, "Will I need RTX Hardware to support certain RTX

Titles that demand it in the near future?"  If the answer is no, do not buy an RTX Card right now.  Also

keep in mind WoT's future implementation of RTX is NOT DISCRETELY HARDWARE DEPENDENT.  This

means you can use any hardware that has enough "horsepower" to run WoT in RTX mode.  If you

need more clarification, ask.

 

Also on Nov 22, the 1650 Super is coming out and the 1660 Super is already out. These Perfrom better

then 1060s (3 Gig and 6 gig versions) and even non Super Variant 1600 series cards.  In fact, the 1660

Super performs almost at par with the 1660 Ti and that is costing much less at it's current price point. 

Also if you buy Nvidia, go EVGA as they have a free game that comes with the current gen GPUs (and

other certain parts from them).  In fact EVGA is pretty much the best GPU Brand around at this time.

 

And don't get me started on Intel.  Yes, Intel is planning on releasing it's own line of GPUs and I have yet

to watch the newest video on rumors and details about it.  Links for this section will be posted in the

bottom of the reply.... 

 

Also if you buy an AMD processor, it comes with AMD Graphics embedded in the CPU most of the time.
However that's your decision if you want to use the embedded graphics until you buy a GPU.

 

A good case that does not fall apart has a bay for a DVD. I like Towers for wire management and air flow.

 

I know nothing about cases.  Don't ask me this and I admit my current case is a handover that sucks.

 

A 250GB SSD - I will re-use data drives.

 

Samsung is still the best, but if you willing to go to manufacturer that isn't them then you can get a 1TB

SSD for $100.  I'm running this and it works fine.

 

https://www.newegg.c...N82E16820156199

 

16 GB Ram maybe 32.

 

BUY NOW!  Prices for ram is rock bottom at this time for DDR4 and previous gens!

 

Last but not least a good 64bit version of Win-10 wo the bloatware. Having no bloatware, disabling lots of services, not using aero etc. has been the key to having a good OS and a computer that runs well for years. I have Win 10 LTSC but I'll need a key for it.

 

PM me for that information. 

 

Any suggestion for any of these components.

 

 

 

 

Here are the vids as promised.  I recommend anyone reading this Subscribe to this guy as

his reporting on new tech is very reliable and honest.

 



tod914 #13 Posted Nov 21 2019 - 03:43

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5 years ago or so, I was looking at building one.  https://www.microcenter.com/  At the time, these guys had decent prices and I believe they only charged $100 to assembly the computer, install software, etc..  The techs in the store were really on the ball as well.  Another site to check out.  GL

Harvester_0f_Sorrow #14 Posted Nov 21 2019 - 05:40

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Nooooo windows 7

They will stop supporting it in January. I do not like window 10 but it is much more secure apparently.



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OK OK I see all the new MB's mostly do not support in-7. Ill deal with OS later and contact a few who asked me to PM them.

 

So it looks like the Ryzen 5 3600 AM4 socket for $194 will be a good start.

 

So here is a question: Like my present MB Asrock Z77 with onboard Intel graphics, - Will an AMD MB allow me to use my GTX 1050ti and its onboard graphics to use a second monitor (not cloned). Will there be any driver conflict ?

 

MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS Gaming Motherboard AMD AM4 SATA 6Gb/s M.2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 HDMI ATX - $162

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144262

 

Also will this MB allow me to use 2 Nvidia boards(1050ti - 550ti) to display on mutiple monitors if onboard graphics wont pair with1050ti.

 

Now for some ram I guess DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800)

 

Update: Ryzen 3600 has no integrated graphics :( .


Edited by Atragon, Nov 21 2019 - 15:29.


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View PostAtragon, on Nov 21 2019 - 08:54, said:

OK OK I see all the new MB's mostly do not support in-7. Ill deal with OS later and contact a few who asked me to PM them.

 

So it looks like the Ryzen 5 3600 AM4 socket for $194 will be a good start.

 

So here is a question: Like my present MB Asrock Z77 with onboard Intel graphics, - Will an AMD MB allow me to use my GTX 1050ti and its onboard graphics to use a second monitor (not cloned). Will there be any driver conflict ?

 

MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS Gaming Motherboard AMD AM4 SATA 6Gb/s M.2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 HDMI ATX - $162

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144262

 

Also will this MB allow me to use 2 Nvidia boards(1050ti - 550ti) to display on mutiple monitors if onboard graphics wont pair with1050ti.

 

Now for some ram I guess DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800)

 

I had to check,,but Ryzen 3600 does not come with onboard graphics.in the processor, so

you'll have to use 1050 ti til you can make a decision on GPU.


Edited by IndygoEEI, Nov 21 2019 - 15:30.


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View PostIndygoEEI, on Nov 21 2019 - 09:29, said:

 

I had to check,,but Ryzen 3600 does not come with onboard graphics.in the processor, so

you'll have to use 1050 ti til you can make a decision on GPU.

TY Thats what I needed to know. I'll reconfigure. I do have 2 graphics cards so lets see if another MB will work. The MB needs to have good ratings and reviews.

 

Hold it: I am seeing 2 PCI 4.0 X 16 express slots on that MB. 9th photo - take a look.


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View PostAtragon, on Nov 21 2019 - 09:32, said:

TY Thats what I needed to know. I'll reconfigure. I do have 2 graphics cards so lets see if another MB will work. The MB needs to have good ratings and reviews.

 

That motherboard should be alright.  Yes I edited my post and was wrong.  You do have two

16x slots, but one runs in 4x mode.  You should be fine.



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View PostIndygoEEI, on Nov 21 2019 - 09:34, said:

 

That motherboard should be alright.  Yes I edited my post and was wrong.  You do have two

16x slots, but one runs in 4x mode.  You should be fine.

Super - lets get 2x8 = 16 GB Ram



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View PostIndygoEEI, on Nov 21 2019 - 09:34, said:

 

That motherboard should be alright.  Yes I edited my post and was wrong.  You do have two

16x slots, but one runs in 4x mode.  You should be fine.

Correct me if I am wrong.  That means I cant use 2 separate cards at the same time ? For instance one for Microsoft FSX and the other monitor panel and gauge displays.






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