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earthman34 #1 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 03:09

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I know the IS-3 has the better gun, but the front is cardboard. I've seen the IS-M bounce some insane numbers of shots. What's the trade-off?

The_Illusive_Man #2 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 03:20

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IS-3 and its line is WAY better. Both the T10's the IS3 leads to are great. The IS-3 is a tank you need to learn more for, if you want to do well. Learning how, and when to reverse sidescrape will make you very hard to defeat (IS3 reverse sidescraping is god like). 

 

The ISM line isnt that great. Sure it can bounce stuff, and it can be fun, the tanks are simply lackluster, and dont do well. Rear turret tanks arnt easy to use. They seem to be, but when you get them, they show their dark side: Little gun depression. Now, that isnt as bad as it used to be (WG flattened alot of maps in 1.0), its still not great.

 

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thandiflight #3 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 03:21

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The IS-M is terrible. I think you would be happier repeatedly stabbing yourself in the leg. The End.

Treeburst #4 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 03:22

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Well, the IS-7 line is more straightforward to play than the 705 line. In terms of the tier 8s, the IS-3 is more of a heavium. Mobility is good, the gun is good. Armor is ok, but not amazing. Lots of weak spots frontally, including the turret roof.

The IS-M is quite slow, but has very good armor. It can hold up against tier 8 gold spam for the most part, but not against tier 9 or 10. The IS-3 is better against higher tiers on account of the mobility.

Harvester_0f_Sorrow #5 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 03:25

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ISM is really slow with speed and traverse. Terrible gun depression, I know they are both -5 but rear mounted makes it even worse. 

Its funny that IS3 has a better survival rating, what a bunch of bs!!! How do they figure that with those stats lol. Sure ISM is way better armored but IS3 is still way better all around.



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Get both. 

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earthman34 #7 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 03:50

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I ask because I can get the IS-M at a very steep discount due to the special and the blueprint fragments I get, which for some reason are mostly Russian. I haven't had a lot of luck with the IS-3, it just gets HE'd or gold-spammed to pieces whenever I show my face. Sidescraping doesn't work well with the pikenose.

ChaseR392 #8 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 04:01

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The IS-M is absolutely miserable stock....

 

Weak gun, poor turret armor, slow and clumsy.

 

Fully upgraded it has a mediocre gun, strong turret, goes normal heavy speed and is still clumsy. I bought it during the On-Track and absolutely hated it.... even fully upgraded it still turns like a boat and I found myself "dabbing 2" quite often to deal with the reds.... however I was getting a lot of Tier 10 matches while grinding it. Got through it and now I'm on the Obj. 705.... which I haven't played enough to form an opinion of yet.

 

The IS-M can be a beast if you can find the right spot on the right map with the right team around you.... otherwise the lack of flexibility just makes it tedious to play.



thandiflight #9 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 04:04

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View Postearthman34, on Dec 02 2019 - 02:50, said:

I ask because I can get the IS-M at a very steep discount due to the special and the blueprint fragments I get, which for some reason are mostly Russian. I haven't had a lot of luck with the IS-3, it just gets HE'd or gold-spammed to pieces whenever I show my face. Sidescraping doesn't work well with the pikenose.

 

Reverse sidescrape. Yes you lose some gun-depression (wasn't much to start with) but you have a V-shaped hull and spaced armour in the IS-3. Gun -handling is better, mobility is better and DPM is only slightly worse. Just make sure that the opposition cannot shoot the forehead above the gun as it is easily overmatched and can be penned by HE. The IS-M will work on certain city maps but as soon as you cannot sidescrape you are done.



moogleslam #10 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 04:23

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View Postmoogleslam, on Nov 24 2019 - 11:09, said:

Wanted to give an IS-M topic a necro, because I recently played it for the first time as part of the current On-Track.  While I don't typically love heavy tanks, particularly slow ones, and ones with no gun depression, I have to say that I have really enjoyed playing this tank to its strengths.  Those strengths being its strong gun, and that it's a side scraping beast.

 

You could make an argument for the IS-3A being better, but I wouldn't consider ranking any other Tier VIII heavy tanks above the IS-M.  What a monster.

 

I just finished grinding it and bought the Object 705. I'm a bit sad to say goodbye to the IS-M for now, but I look forward to returning to it to to 2-mark it, and give 3-marks a try.

 

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Stats so far:

 

  • 51 battles
  • 3628 WN8
  • 65% Win Rate
  • 1128 XP
  • 2220 Dmg

 

Small sample size, but point is, those numbers are far above my overall or recent stats.  Is the tank really this good?

 

EDIT 2: 

 

I also seem to be collecting Radley's in this line.  I had two with the IS-M, and have one with the 705 already, just 6 battles in to the grind.

 

Also, with one of the Radley battles for the IS-M, and the one for the 705, I completed two campaign missions at the same time! - Don't think I've ever done that before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Noivy #11 Posted Dec 02 2019 - 04:25

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The IS-3 leads to two very powerful tanks, the IS-7 and the exceptional Obj. 277, with the T-10 and 257 both being fantastic and pretty easy to play tier 9s.

 

The IS-M has a much higher skill floor, turns really slowly, sloppy gun handling, but its armor isn't ignorable if you know how to angle and side scrape. 

 

Go for the IS-3, it's one of the most popular tanks for a reason.



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I will say that I thought the IS-M was pretty strong for its tier. I am not enjoying the 705 so far, it seems to suffer from the typical HT code 22 malady. While the armor profile on Wot.gg seems quite strong even against same tier gold rounds, it has been my experience that Russian 340 pen HEAT will go through the front of the turret like it is made of butter.

I think the armor profile is wrong on that site or something, turret seems to be about 300mm effective from the front. Since 90-100% of rounds in tier 9-10 games are gold, that just isn’t enough armor. The IS-M, on the other hand, had a turret that could stand up to same tier gold spam.

earthman34 #13 Posted Dec 03 2019 - 04:10

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View PostTreeburst, on Dec 02 2019 - 08:35, said:

I will say that I thought the IS-M was pretty strong for its tier. I am not enjoying the 705 so far, it seems to suffer from the typical HT code 22 malady. While the armor profile on Wot.gg seems quite strong even against same tier gold rounds, it has been my experience that Russian 340 pen HEAT will go through the front of the turret like it is made of butter.

I think the armor profile is wrong on that site or something, turret seems to be about 300mm effective from the front. Since 90-100% of rounds in tier 9-10 games are gold, that just isn’t enough armor. The IS-M, on the other hand, had a turret that could stand up to same tier gold spam.

 

They need to remove the HEAT from the game, or drastically nerf it. 340 pen HEAT on a high roll is 425 pen, which is just absurd in this game.



earthman34 #14 Posted Dec 03 2019 - 04:16

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View Postmoogleslam, on Dec 01 2019 - 21:23, said:

 

You got 8 kills on 14 shots, which means most of them were finishing shots against almost-dead vehicles. While this is a great game, it's not typical by any stretch of the imagination. You also lost money on it with a premium account, which means you fired only premium ammo for the whole game. It's easy to over-perform if you hide in the rear till most of the heavy lifting is done then peek and finish. It's easy to over-perform if you shoot nothing but premium HEAT rounds.



Treeburst #15 Posted Dec 03 2019 - 14:19

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I had a couple reasonably good games in a row in the 705 last night, I’ll throw the replays up and post links so people can check them out. When the armor works it is quite a fun tank to play. Only problem is getting the armor to work.

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Obj 705 replays as I promised earlier.

 

Game one is better : http://wotreplays.eu/site/5114907#erlenberg-treeburst-object_705

 

Game two is ok: http://wotreplays.eu/site/5114909#karelia-treeburst-object_705

 

The crazy thing for me is these were back to back games.






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