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MUMBLESRUMBLES #1 Posted Dec 04 2019 - 23:00

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recently, I have noticed, I am getting spotting way behind bushes..... this seems as if the bushes are not concealing me, even with high camo ratings... spotted today by a heavy, when I wasnt firing, not spotted, and back 50ft from the bushes....friends have been saying the same thing....it just happened again...... 

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Markd73 #2 Posted Dec 04 2019 - 23:11

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I suspect some may work better than others, but I have no real idea which ones without more evidence.

 

I'd love to know if there are any replays/videos or other such evidence that test which ones are working/not working/working badly.

 

Anyone know of any of there are any kinds of videos that test different spots?



facepuncher_22 #3 Posted Dec 04 2019 - 23:43

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maybe they was using hacks

Treeburst #4 Posted Dec 04 2019 - 23:50

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WG has a couple good videos that explain camo and spotting mechanics. Being behind a bush is a camo modifier, not an invisibility cloak.

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Nah, I noticed this today for the 2nd day in a row.  I rolled up behind a bush that normally conceals me and was spotted by someone who shouldn't have been able to.  It happened in the same bush twice now, and it happened well after I arrived behind the bush.  I know the mechanics and under "normal" conditions I should not have been spotted either time.  Something isn't quite right with some of the maps.

ViseGrip #6 Posted Dec 05 2019 - 00:17

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View PostTreeburst, on Dec 04 2019 - 22:50, said:

WG has a couple good videos that explain camo and spotting mechanics. Being behind a bush is a camo modifier, not an invisibility cloak.

Then explain how a td with 100% camo on tank,crew and a net can get spotted by a tank that's firing from behind a bush ,if the bush is only a modifier as you say and the firing tank remain unspotted... He didn't light up till the td was dead .......Scouts where all dead by this time. Sounds fishy to me and I have no doubt that there's some out there with illegal mods. WG refuses to put up a wall of shame page. So how do you know WG is even actively banning these people or even trying to seek them out...... Hell you don't even know if WG may have made the mods them self sold them on the market for some extra cash. 



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Been saying for a long time that camo and spotting are totally screwed up.

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View PostMUMBLESRUMBLES, on Dec 04 2019 - 22:00, said:

recently, I have noticed, I am getting spotting way behind bushes..... this seems as if the bushes are not concealing me, even with high camo ratings... spotted today by a heavy, when I wasnt firing, not spotted, and back 50ft from the bushes....friends have been saying the same thing.....


there are some bushes on some maps that i belive we see but are not counted in the game

I suspect they wanted to re model the map but were to lazy to do a good job and if they simply removed the bushes players would complain and make their life miserable

 

so they simply removed the mechanics for those bushes and the people that "KNOW" this take the opputunity to snip people using those spots thinking they are hidden from sight .. I know of a few of these spots from trial and error and even used the training room to verify my suspicions . this is simply one of those things the game devolopers put into the game to give them an edge up on others ,, the people that cheat the most are the employees of wargaming that do the code for game .



KaiserWilhelmShatner #9 Posted Dec 05 2019 - 01:16

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All bushes are equal.  

Some bushes are more equal than others.



omi5cron #10 Posted Dec 05 2019 - 01:36

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any of the bushes we use have varying % of camo effect.and also some we may think do have camo....dont. and only by trial and error do we find out. it sucks but its how this game rolls.

 

as to some bushes LOSING any camo rating after patches...no idea. i just expect to be unpleasantly surprised. again it sucks but we have no indicator or cue as to ANY % camo from vegetation.



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If you were 50 feet behind the bush, there is a good chance that some OTHER enemy was lighting you up from a flank, and that the heavy shooting you was outside of your vision range while you were within his draw range.  Learning to shoot bad guys like that is about the only way to grind out the Comet btw.  

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View PostViseGrip, on Dec 04 2019 - 19:17, said:

Then explain how a td with 100% camo on tank,crew and a net can get spotted by a tank that's firing from behind a bush ,if the bush is only a modifier as you say and the firing tank remain unspotted... He didn't light up till the td was dead .......Scouts where all dead by this time. Sounds fishy to me and I have no doubt that there's some out there with illegal mods. WG refuses to put up a wall of shame page. So how do you know WG is even actively banning these people or even trying to seek them out...... Hell you don't even know if WG may have made the mods them self sold them on the market for some extra cash. 

 

Without knowing the exact details, that sounds a lot like a good player pulling up to spot, then reversing away from the bush to fire unseen, before moving up to spot again for the next shot.



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My buddy and I logged into a training room the other day and tested some of the bushes in the middle of Fisherman's Bay.  They were far less effective than you'd expect based on their size and density.  Neither of us attempt to use those bushes anymore.

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Soft stats, soft stats everywhere. Especially with the bushes.



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View PostViseGrip, on Dec 04 2019 - 18:17, said:

Then explain how a td with 100% camo on tank,crew and a net can get spotted by a tank that's firing from behind a bush ,if the bush is only a modifier as you say and the firing tank remain unspotted... He didn't light up till the td was dead .......Scouts where all dead by this time. Sounds fishy to me and I have no doubt that there's some out there with illegal mods. WG refuses to put up a wall of shame page. So how do you know WG is even actively banning these people or even trying to seek them out...... Hell you don't even know if WG may have made the mods them self sold them on the market for some extra cash. 


Your camo rating has no impact on your ability to spot targets.  Your view range is what impacts that. The tank shooting you probably wasn’t the one spotting you if you never spotted him. 



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You assume you know who spotted you and that it was someone on the other side of the bush....

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Thread of the day. Thanks for that!!

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View Post__WarChild__, on Dec 04 2019 - 17:06, said:

Nah, I noticed this today for the 2nd day in a row.  I rolled up behind a bush that normally conceals me and was spotted by someone who shouldn't have been able to.  It happened in the same bush twice now, and it happened well after I arrived behind the bush.  I know the mechanics and under "normal" conditions I should not have been spotted either time.  Something isn't quite right with some of the maps.

You know. I am not a conspiracy person but when I saw WC comment this, I took notice. See, earlier today I was on Lakeville (in Type 64) and I got spotted in a bush I had never been spotted in at the beginning of a game. At the time, I got shot and lost half my hit points and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why. I knew I had superior view range and full camo and I had been sitting in that bush for awhile before I was spotted and I figured I could see anything before they saw me.

 

So, I actually pulled up the replay and watched in slow-mo. I found my mistake. The very tip of the rear of my tank was sticking out of the side of the bush, invisible from the lake road, but visible to an enemy scout who across the lake.

 

I suspect a lot issues like this could be cleared up with some close looks at replays. In this case, the issue was in micro-positioning. I got sloppy.



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Being 50ft(?) behind the bush and in a heavy were likely the problem but without a replay who can say. Also, not all bushes are created equal, some really don't do anything, not sure if it's because the actual bush has no camo rating or there's a hole in it somewhere.

MUMBLESRUMBLES #20 Posted Dec 05 2019 - 21:48

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View PostTreeburst, on Dec 04 2019 - 17:50, said:

WG has a couple good videos that explain camo and spotting mechanics. Being behind a bush is a camo modifier, not an invisibility cloak.

im aware of that,. its when u are not moving, not shooting, and have high camo and they are a long way away, they spot you,, a heavy spotting me form 300 yards is unlikely...







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