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Haarmless #41 Posted Dec 17 2019 - 21:23

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View PostDr_Jerkov, on Dec 17 2019 - 19:37, said:

Agreed with it all minus reward tanks. Reward tanks are an end game to show you achieved a high level of gameplay within a campaign. Rebalancing just needs to happen. That way people are encouraged to earn them (and not nerf them where they are useless), but where they aren't the meta.

 

Keep all tanks unique and competitive, but not OP. When a 907 gets locked, a 140 or even T-62A should be viable enough replacements.

WG will literally NEVER nerf a reward tank, they're set in stone...and as they are now they're all WAY better than normal tech tree tanks. You can still show off your tanks in random battles



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View PostDr_Jerkov, on Dec 17 2019 - 14:37, said:

Agreed with it all minus reward tanks. Reward tanks are an end game to show you achieved a high level of gameplay within a campaign. Rebalancing just needs to happen. That way people are encouraged to earn them (and not nerf them where they are useless), but where they aren't the meta.

 

Keep all tanks unique and competitive, but not OP. When a 907 gets locked, a 140 or even T-62A should be viable enough replacements.

I'm not sure if you ever have played in clan wars against top 20 clans but heres how it works... i need 5 cheftains, 5 obj 279e and 5 obj 260....(on open maps u ask for ebrs and 907 too) you will see some 277 on ocassion but rarely..... also if you play the top clans on a consitent basis you would know they have 100  of each reward tank aside from the 279e and 260 so yea.... doesn't matter with locking because they are all active (40-70 of them)

Btw...Only reward tank ever nerfed was the t22 med from what i recall and that was because people were rigging missions. hence check the below quote

 

View PostHaarmless, on Dec 17 2019 - 15:23, said:

WG will literally NEVER nerf a reward tank, they're set in stone...and as they are now they're all WAY better than normal tech tree tanks. You can still show off your tanks in random battles

 


Edited by The_GreatOne, Dec 17 2019 - 22:01.


Warhead_Legend_Jerkov #43 Posted Dec 18 2019 - 00:35

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View PostThe_GreatOne, on Dec 17 2019 - 15:00, said:

I'm not sure if you ever have played in clan wars against top 20 clans but heres how it works... i need 5 cheftains, 5 obj 279e and 5 obj 260....(on open maps u ask for ebrs and 907 too) you will see some 277 on ocassion but rarely..... also if you play the top clans on a consitent basis you would know they have 100  of each reward tank aside from the 279e and 260 so yea.... doesn't matter with locking because they are all active (40-70 of them)

Btw...Only reward tank ever nerfed was the t22 med from what i recall and that was because people were rigging missions. hence check the below quote

 

 

Well hence why I said the statement about rebalancing. Although I appreciate your response, please read the entire post prior to replying next time (avoids having to point this out and wasting everyone's time).

 

Wait, did LOAD even fight anyone of relevance? Last I knew, your prideful gameplan was to drop on landings no one wanted.  I have done my fair share of CW and know how things work.


Edited by Dr_Jerkov, Dec 18 2019 - 01:10.


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View PostHaarmless, on Dec 17 2019 - 14:23, said:

WG will literally NEVER nerf a reward tank, they're set in stone...and as they are now they're all WAY better than normal tech tree tanks. You can still show off your tanks in random battles

I mean they said they would never introduce wheeled vehicles. Also, said they would never sell the Mutant M6.  Premium tank drastic changes, acting in the best interest of the game, no funky tanks (cough cough Obj 703), etc..... So what stops them from actually following through on something they stated more than ten seconds ago.



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View PostDr_Jerkov, on Dec 17 2019 - 18:35, said:

Well hence why I said the statement about rebalancing. Although I appreciate your response, please read the entire post prior to replying next time (avoids having to point this out and wasting everyone's time).

 

Wait, did LOAD even fight anyone of relevance? Last I knew, your prideful gameplan was to drop on landings no one wanted.  I have done my fair share of CW and know how things work.

nice of you to read the first line.... just makes you so much more credible... learn to read the entire thing (reward tanks won't get nerfed because they haven't touched them in years.. look at the t22 med)

 

to your next point about the clan wars meta... it hasn't changed in a long time... i played in the last campaign with LOAD and got the tank (cheftain.. all of us got the tank who showed)....just because you haven't done regular CW seasons doesn't make you more informed than anyone else about the meta or maps... only thing it would mean is that your rotations are slower.. i have seen crap tonnes of strats from different clans sent to me and its the same crap... take 15 tanks 1 way and overmatch.

 

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Your first sentence pertains to whether or not I have played against top 20 clans before. So congratulations that I refused to state my prior experiences on the global map. Do you want a cookie for noticing I decided to not indulge in annoying everyone else with meaningless screenshots? Maybe something sweet like chocolate chip, since you are so salty?

 

Please, continue to tell me how you are so much more qualified than me. Since you have played against top 20 clans and question if I have, I guess I apparently cannot see that your posts are the end all truth and my input is meaningless then.


Edited by Dr_Jerkov, Dec 18 2019 - 07:12.


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View PostDr_Jerkov, on Dec 18 2019 - 01:11, said:

Your first sentence pertains to whether or not I have played against top 20 clans before. So congratulations that I refused to state my prior experiences on the global map. Do you want a cookie for noticing I decided to not indulge in annoying everyone else with meaningless screenshots? Maybe something sweet like chocolate chip, since you are so salty?

 

Please, continue to tell me how you are so much more qualified than me. Since you have played against top 20 clans and question if I have, I guess I apparently cannot see that your posts are the end all truth and my input is meaningless then.


i mean... ur the one bragging about clan wars experience intially.... so yea...

and for the 4th time.. they wont nerf reward tanks because they haven't done it in 5 years (other than the match rigging from the t22 med)

they are already deciding on removing reward tanks from ranked.. probably will happen here too


Edited by The_GreatOne, Dec 18 2019 - 17:42.


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You're right. I was bragging about how many top 20 clans I played again and provided a worthless and irrelevant screenshot from the last campaign rankings that totally showed my personal involvement in the success.

 

I have done my fair share of clan wars, so I understand how meta works. But also trying to think of the consequences in order to try to actually fabricate a good idea that WG might actually consider doing.

 

I am not saying that they ARE going to nerf reward tanks. I'm just saying it isn't out of the question because of past actions that no one can deny were against what was released prior to those decisions being made. But if they did rebalance these tanks, and others in tech tree need rebalancing as well, then you wouldn't have some lonely weeb wanking off in his mom's basement over "they brought 5 Cheiftain, 5 260s, and 5 279e's". So for the fourth time, I said they should rebalance, not that they will.


Edited by Dr_Jerkov, Dec 18 2019 - 19:40.


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View PostDr_Jerkov, on Dec 18 2019 - 13:30, said:

You're right. I was bragging about how many top 20 clans I played again and provided a worthless and irrelevant screenshot from the last campaign rankings that totally showed my personal involvement in the success.

 

I have done my fair share of clan wars, so I understand how meta works. But also trying to think of the consequences in order to try to actually fabricate a good idea that WG might actually consider doing.

 

I am not saying that they ARE going to nerf reward tanks. I'm just saying it isn't out of the question because of past actions that no one can deny were against what was released prior to those decisions being made. But if they did rebalance these tanks, and others in tech tree need rebalancing as well, then you wouldn't have some lonely weeb wanking off in his mom's basement over "they brought 5 Cheiftain, 5 260s, and 5 279e's". So for the fourth time, I said they should rebalance, not that they will.


point of the screen shot was not to brag.... its because you were bragging over being clan wars active and basically saying that LOAD is inactive which therefore any of its members are irrelevant.. stop trying to be slick young lad.. meta doesn change overnight and it still the same crap as a few months ago

also you never said they should.. if you did this wouldnt be a conversation.. fact of the matter is they never have and never will rebalancce rewards.. only option is to now buff everything... hence why they are re balancing shells in order to nerf stuff..

 


Edited by The_GreatOne, Dec 19 2019 - 17:27.


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View PostThe_GreatOne, on Dec 19 2019 - 10:22, said:


point of the screen shot was not to brag.... its because you were bragging over being clan wars active and basically saying that LOAD is inactive which therefore any of its members are irrelevant.. stop trying to be slick young lad.. meta doesn change overnight and it still the same crap as a few months ago

also you never said they should.. if you did this wouldnt be a conversation.. fact of the matter is they never have and never will rebalancce rewards.. only option is to now buff everything... hence why they are re balancing shells in order to nerf stuff..

 

Do you even read bro? Guess you aren't The_GreatReader for a reason.

 

I never said LOAD didn't participate on the map, simply questioned how many top 20 clans you fought recently due to (as I recall hearing from a very reputable source) you guys were intentionally dropping on landings that were hardly touched. Thus I never called you guys inactive or irrelevant.

 

Also never, ever said meta changes overnight. Only time is does is with a Type 5 nerf or potentially when the (alleged) shell rebalancing changes happen. So no clue where this allegation came from.

 

I never said they were going to nerf tanks, change tanks, etc. I simply stated that rebalancing of tanks would solve this issue. Hence the..."Rebalancing just needs to happen." which is copied and pasted from my initial response above.

 

I would love for you to show me EXACTLY where and how I made such definitive statements that you are accusing me of making.



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Can we not make this debate a ''Who's [edited]is bigger''? We were talking about CW reworks and complains. (talking to you both LOAD and LOK)

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View PostTsukushi_Kino[edited]a, on Dec 20 2019 - 18:28, said:

Can we not make this debate a ''Who's [edited]is bigger''? We were talking about CW reworks and complains. (talking to you both LOAD and LOK)

Exactly what I was trying to do until some illiterate somehow misconstrued my words, which has shown in the past to be a pet peeve of mine.

 

It is a major pet peeve, so I apologize for letting that get the better of me and my involvement of detracting from the forum.


Edited by Dr_Jerkov, Dec 21 2019 - 03:47.


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View PostDr_Jerkov, on Dec 20 2019 - 15:39, said:

Do you even read bro? Guess you aren't The_GreatReader for a reason.

 

I never said LOAD didn't participate on the map, simply questioned how many top 20 clans you fought recently due to (as I recall hearing from a very reputable source) you guys were intentionally dropping on landings that were hardly touched. Thus I never called you guys inactive or irrelevant.

 

Also never, ever said meta changes overnight. Only time is does is with a Type 5 nerf or potentially when the (alleged) shell rebalancing changes happen. So no clue where this allegation came from.

 

I never said they were going to nerf tanks, change tanks, etc. I simply stated that rebalancing of tanks would solve this issue. Hence the..."Rebalancing just needs to happen." which is copied and pasted from my initial response above.

 

I would love for you to show me EXACTLY where and how I made such definitive statements that you are accusing me of making.


played in tonnes of clan wars in the past to know that top 20 clans don't care about how many tanks they have  in clan wars season....they lose like no tanks since they have 85-100 active people who have the tank. smaller and lower clans have like 10-15 so its a problem if those people aren't active

 

anyways drop it with the clan crap (it doesn't matter because you're probably in mahou's alliance so you don't fight anyone decent)...  you clearly are illiterate when it comes to what i am saying....

 

anyways problems with the competition in NA is the population on NA is decreasing, next to no promotion of their competive stuff (people don't even know about gold in tournaments because they were gone for so long) and anyone who watches these crappy clan showcases will never join clans because wth is a t959/fv4201 chieftain, obj 907 and  obj 279e. put that all together with a crappy design on the global map and that's why there is such low participation which leads to problems on the global map. if you don't have anyone coming in, the competition will always need fixing.

 

 

 



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I think there should be something that makes more than 3 tech tree tanks viable outside of very specialist roles (those 3 being STRV, EBR, and CGC)

 

I agree with Harmless on making competitive modes tech tree tanks,  Let the reward tanks flex in randoms.  Or we can just stick with meta being  "...one 279e, 2 ebr's, 5 chiefs and the rest 907's" 



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View Posttollhousecookies, on Dec 05 2019 - 13:26, said:

I propose that the Clan Wars use a 3 tier system. Top clans, Middle clans and Lower CLANS. Each division has their own map to fight over and i think this gives the new lower clans to work on their skills. Meanwhile everyone is getting to compete within their own divisions. As a Clan progresses to a higher rank, they can go to the next division up. Thoughts?

View PostJakeTheMystic, on Dec 05 2019 - 14:20, said:

Although I used to oppose the idea of tier 6 and tier 8 clan wars (had quite a few debates with Silversound about them) now I finally realize that it may not be such a bad idea to bring them back. The competitiveness of the game has surely dropped significantly; Clans that used to dream of being top 100 are now finishing top 40 in CWs not because they have improved, but because the rest of the competition has died off. 

 

Opening the map to alternate tiers would at least give smaller clans the option to participate, most clans simply stop participating all together because they can't consistently get 15 on at a time for a CW, but they would be able to get 7-8 for a tier 6 CW.

 

I also despise the addition of alliances into clan wars. We all know that before alliances were implemented, "undocumented" alliances still existed where everyone falls in line behind the top dogs. If they were gracious enough, they would pass on land to the smaller clans providing that the smaller clans help defend the central larger clan in return. Now with alliances implemented, we are just seeing the same thing but on a larger scale. Some odd 60 clans were part of the alliance this year while only 10 or so were part of the opposing alliance. This led to a whole lot of "sitting" on the global map, no battles for nights on end as clans just sat and earned gold. Unless, they could abuse a minor clan into chipping battles. It's a strange system that pretty much just punishes whoever is at the bottom of the ladder, while all the profits and praise go to the top dogs. 

 

On the note of NA vs EU clans, obviously they should allow it. At some point WG is going to open server roaming (or at the very least, let us transfer away from this dying server) so why would they be so opposing to letting clans practice against one another? This looks extremely bad on their part when they go out of their way to censor the conversations regarding it. 

 

In the end, the server populations are dropping. As a result, less and less clans are participating as the better players move up the ladder to find more active clans. No changes made to the CWs system will bring the game back from near-death, it's far too late for that now. There's only a small portion of clans even bothering to participate. WG is giving out less and less each season and people are getting pissed with the imbalance of the game; Chieftains, 279e, EBR.

 

Clan wars was interesting because it was fun and rewarding, now that most people find neither to be true, the number of clans participating has been rapidly declining. WG hasn't listened to the community in quite a while, they are just doing whatever they can to suck the money out our pockets.  

 

There are good points being made here. It's been a long time since i've played Clan Wars at any level and you know...i don't miss it at all. That being said it could and should be a component of the game overall.

 

However considering the quoted remarks here, while opening the CW mode to more (and newer) players is essential to keeping it viable it will do no good at all IF the higher ranked clans are allowed to play at Tier VI and VIII.  WG would need to put in place a limited form of SBMM base on a Clan average that would keep more advanced players at Tier X and lesser skilled at the VI and VIII levels. I'd also say that IF a player is playing at Tier VIII, the could NOT play in VI or X.  Also all Tier levels should play 15v15 there is no reason for 7v7 or 10v10.  Perhaps create a version played on the Frontline sized maps for TierX?  

 

The rewards situation is completely fouled up, and there is nothing new about that. It needs a total revamp and that may include cessation of "reward" tanks.

I don't know much about how the Alliances work in the current game, but i don't know that you'll ever stop inter-Clan politics, but you don't have to facilitate it either.

 

Bottom line is Clan Wars hasn't worked for some time now, and given there is NOTHING else to do in the "end game" Wargaming better figure something different out, because otherwise its a slow strangulating death for the X players and maybe the game too.



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View PostPepega_Wrangler, on Jan 13 2020 - 23:47, said:

I think there should be something that makes more than 3 tech tree tanks viable outside of very specialist roles (those 3 being STRV, EBR, and CGC)

 

I agree with Harmless on making competitive modes tech tree tanks,  Let the reward tanks flex in randoms.  Or we can just stick with meta being  "...one 279e, 2 ebr's, 5 chiefs and the rest 907's" 

 

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It looks like there are more than 3 viable and competitive tech tree tanks for clan wars. What tanks you use depends on the map and type of strategy.

 

The 279e seems just average once you learn how to pen it. There is a large area on the front that is 280-310mm effective armor. Most tier 10's can pen it with their premium rounds. If you are participating in clan wars, you should be prepared to carry plenty of premium/gold/special ammo. I farmed a 279e frontally for all of its HP in a pub battle recently. Another 279(e) I did almost 1800 damage to in one shot with my 183 because there is a strip of armor on the font that is 190-215mm effective armor on the front when its angled.

 

My clan has 19 T95/FV2001's and there are some mas where we don't use any of them. The terrain and strategy are better suited to other tanks.

 

Lets face it, the fact is a better clan can beat a less skilled clan without using any of the clan wars campaign reward tanks or personal campaign mission tanks.



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