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LuckySl7vin #1 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 19:59

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I’ve been playing this game for many years now (although admittedly, I did take a two-year sabbatical and just recently returned to WoT).  Overall, I am impressed with most of the changes that WG has made, however I would be remiss if I did not also mention that I am a little disappointed with some of the content directions—most notably the lack of new lines since my return.

For me personally, the thrill of this game lies in the constant grind spurred on by the insatiable desire to own good tanks—wherever they may fall in the tech tree.  The addition of new nations, with their own corresponding tech trees is the quintessential element of the game that spurs players onwards, encouraging them to branch out and grind new crews for new lines.  In that light, there is one nation that has been mysteriously left out of the WoT universe: the nation of Israel.

I say “mysteriously” because of the long, proud armored history of one of the world’s most recently recognized countries—which is far more storied than many of WG’s recent additions in terms of armored conflict.  Stretching back even before its official inception as a recognized nation, Israel was almost constantly embroiled in international conflicts, often using whatever armored vehicles they could get their hands on.  This leads me to the next point.

WG recently launched the Rudy as the first “international tank” in the game, capable of being crewed by multiple nations due to the wartime supply crossover.  No country on earth is more ripe for these new international tanks than that of Israel who incorporated tanks from the United States, the British, the French, and even captured Soviet tanks, often incorporating interesting international modifications into their designs to meet the specific terrain of the Middle Eastern region.  Below is a brief overview of tanks used by Israeli forces broken down by era.

 

Pre-WWII (1936-1939)

Hotchkiss H35

Hotchkiss H39

 

WWII (1940-1945)

M22 Locust

M5 Stuart

M4 Sherman

IS3/JS3

 

Post War/Cold War (1946-1966)

IS-10/JS-10

M4A4

M-50 Super Sherman

M-51 Super Sherman

M48 Patton

AMX-13F

T-54

Centurion (standard)

 

Israeli Design Era (1968+)

Magach (1 through 7)

Sho’t Meteor

Sho’t Kal Alef

Merkava Mk1

Sabra

 

Many of these tanks featured variants where engines, guns, and transmissions were commonly amassed from various nations not native to the original native model.  For instance, the M50 Super Shermans were essentially Fireflies which were then further upgraded with 460hp Cummins engines for increased mobility.  The M51’s were fitted with French 105mm Modele F1 main armaments.  The Magach series tanks were M48/M60 chassis with British 105 L7s and various combinations of engines and transmissions in addition to lower-profile modifications to the turret and expanded engine compartments.  Sho’t tanks came in two variants of the Centurion chassis, one with the Rolls-Royce Meteor engine and one with the Continental AVDS-1790-2A diesel and Allison CD850-6 transmission along with upgraded gun stabilizers and firing control systems, as well as reactive armor.

 

As alluded to earlier, the nation of Israel has a long history of armored conflict.  The Six Day War (1967), and the Yom Kippur War (1973) are two prominent examples featuring extensive armored conflict.  This leads me to my last point.  The addition of the Israeli tech tree would allow for the creation of a new map featuring one of the greatest armored feats in history—the defense of the Golan Heights during the Yom Kippur War.  This game desperately needs new maps and this presents a perfect opportunity to commemorate one of the greatest tank battles in history.

 

Israel needs to be in this game, period.  Please make this happen.

 

Do you agree? 



InquisitorSomme #2 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:02

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Israel wasn't around until after WWII, so no. 

GenPanzer #3 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:03

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Most of those tanks are already in the game. Who wants to rerun them all over again in a different line?

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No. Not with tanks you listed.

Mogach series are just Centurions, Sabra and both Sho’t's are just Pattons. Rest is not even renamed.

 

Only Merkava would be new thing, and it would be yet another space age tank to bully poor Maus.



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View PostInquisitorSomme, on Jan 02 2020 - 14:02, said:

Israel wasn't around until after WWII, so no.

 

Israel began it's battle for nationhood with French and British pre-war cast-offs ...

 

So, YES ...


Edited by BottomFeedingBOTgarbage, Jan 02 2020 - 20:12.


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WoWP has a "European" tech tree that involves multiple nations that would not support a tree by itself, and Israel is one of them.

 

Maybe something like that could work?



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View PostBottomFeedingBOTgarbage, on Jan 02 2020 - 20:09, said:

 

Israel began it's battle for nationhood with French and British pre-war cast-offs ...

 

So, YES ...

 

In 1948..

 

So, NO



BottomFeedingBOTgarbage #8 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:16

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We have tanks here into the mid-1970s ...

 

So, YES



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View PostCaptainBussey, on Jan 02 2020 - 14:12, said:

WoWP has a "European" tech tree that involves multiple nations that would not support a tree by itself, and Israel is one of them.

 

Maybe something like that could work?

 

Probably how it will go, perhaps with individual lines for each



InquisitorSomme #10 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:17

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View PostBottomFeedingBOTgarbage, on Jan 02 2020 - 20:16, said:

We have tanks here into the mid-1970s ...

 

So, YES


But tree's starting before WWII...

 

So, NO



BottomFeedingBOTgarbage #11 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:20

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View PostInquisitorSomme, on Jan 02 2020 - 14:02, said:

Israel wasn't around until after WWII, so no.

 

The FRG and DDR weren't around until after WWII, and their post-war tanks, tiers 8 thru 10, are in the game ...


So YES ...


History much ?


You just failed on your own logic ... :sceptic:


Edited by BottomFeedingBOTgarbage, Jan 02 2020 - 21:12.


CynicalDutchie #12 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:26

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View PostInquisitorSomme, on Jan 02 2020 - 20:02, said:

Israel wasn't around until after WWII, so no. 

 

This is not a WWII game.



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View PostBottomFeedingBOTgarbage, on Jan 02 2020 - 13:17, said:

 

Probably how it will go, perhaps with individual lines for each

 

 

 

This is the European tech tree from WoWP. As you can see it has French, Czech, Polish, and Israeli mixed in together.

 

I don't see why WoTs couldn't do something like this.



InquisitorSomme #14 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:31

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Jan 02 2020 - 20:26, said:

 

This is not a WWII game.


It starts before WWII. 

 

View PostBottomFeedingBOTgarbage, on Jan 02 2020 - 20:20, said:

 

The FRG and DDR weren't around until after WWII, and their tanks are in the game ...


So YES ...


History much ?


You just failed on your own logic ... :sceptic:

 

Neither state has their own tech tree, nor do they stop being Germany. 

 

So, NO

 

Read much? 

 

Vassal States =/= Independent Nations

 



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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Jan 02 2020 - 12:26, said:

 

This is not a WWII game.

The most logical thing said in this post!! +1



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View PostInquisitorSomme, on Jan 02 2020 - 14:31, said:

Vassal States =/= Independent Nations

 

 

The FRG was NOT a vassel state, son ...

 

I was there.

 

I'm starting to wonder if your opposition isn't motivated by a certain bias against the majority ethnicity concerned ... :sceptic:


Edited by BottomFeedingBOTgarbage, Jan 02 2020 - 21:13.


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View PostInquisitorSomme, on Jan 02 2020 - 20:17, said:


But tree's starting before WWII...

 

So, NO


I agree that the Israeli tanks would just be late model American and British tanks.. but just to play devils advocate here... Quick google search.... and this list is not complete just the first couple I searched.

 

Conqueror - 1949 - 1952

Object 279 Kotin - 1959

T-62A - 1951

T110 - 1950

T57 - 1951

AMX 30 B - 1966

WZ-111 model 5A - 1960

 

Last time i checked WW2 ended on 2 September 1945



InquisitorSomme #18 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 20:35

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View PostBottomFeedingBOTgarbage, on Jan 02 2020 - 20:33, said:

 

The FRG was NOT a vassel state, son ...

 

I was there.


So? You being there means what, exactly? 

 

And you do realize that if Israel would get it's own Tech Tree, it would be Palestinian. 



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Too many copies of tanks in this game already....No need for more!

Hotchkiss H35

Hotchkiss H39

M22 Locust

M5 Stuart

M4 Sherman

T-54



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There's a lot of clones and close enough clones/modifications of existing tanks that I don't quite think that Israel warrants a dedicated tree.  Peeps have mentioned planes and their "EU tree" which I'd support here, it'd let us have some of their unique tanks without a tree that'd be mostly clones.  




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