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WolfHenkel #1 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 21:23

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We all have heard the comments: tournaments are rigged, the pro players cheat to win, I cant beat 10,000 PR players, and on and on and on.  This post is not about how war gaming sets up the teams or teams being rigged.  This is about how average players don't have the reward tanks yet and why war gaming continues to let these reward tanks to be played during tournaments.  They are OP that is correct and tanks like the 279E are extremely hard to face.  I can see allowing these reward tanks during Clan Wars but not during tournaments.  The average player joins these tournaments to have variety in their game play and to help them earn what little gold, bonds, resources.  All I am asking is for average players to have a little bit of a chance to win rewards from tournaments.  Make these tournaments for tech tree tanks only, then average players will have a fighting chance.So lets see if we can discuss this more in depth.  Please comment down below, but keep it clean and meaningful.

Ironmike11B #2 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:05

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Or at least make two brackets. One for with reward tanks and one without.

Mojo_Riesing #3 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:07

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Wargaming has a real problem here on it's hands.  It's not that players of exemplary skill shouldn't get special rewards. (Let's set aside cheaters etc, they get lots of attention but really are not  representative of the population).  It is that at any given time, there aren't going to BE a lot of "exemplary skill" players, and they tend to be the some folks over and again.  They should get rewards, they ARE "gud" at the game.  This is no one fault, it's just how the distribution of players works.

 

What the problem becomes is what's "in it" for all the rest of players, and let's just acknowledge we're talking the vast middle tiered players who have played thousands of battles, spent some real cash, learned some, maybe many of the tricks and tips of the game but for whatever reason never reach the upper skill levels. Spare us the "git gud" crap, not everyone wants to make this a life's calling here. So, what "rewards" do they get? It's not just a fancy gold tank, or models of tanks with what are frankly performance enhancements, but what about all the other little perks, the enhanced equipment etc that can only be obtained thru success at...you know it...higher skill levels of play.  

 

Then, add in a minority of the "exemplary" players talk smack about everyone they deem lesser than, while the continue to win, win, win...not just from skill, but all those goodies they got for being so "gud".  Some of them will even brag about how they don't even have to pay for anything anymore they are so darned good.  

 

Is it any wonder that the vast middle of players either resent this  status quo, just blow it off (which further irritates the top group), or...and this is what WG should be thinking about...just move on to some other game.

 

It is what it is, but Wargaming COULD address the issues and give the middling group reason to hang on.


Edited by Mojo_Riesing, Jan 06 2020 - 22:08.


WolfHenkel #4 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:16

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View PostMojo_Riesing, on Jan 06 2020 - 22:07, said:

Wargaming has a real problem here on it's hands.  It's not that players of exemplary skill shouldn't get special rewards. (Let's set aside cheaters etc, they get lots of attention but really are not  representative of the population).  It is that at any given time, there aren't going to BE a lot of "exemplary skill" players, and they tend to be the some folks over and again.  They should get rewards, they ARE "gud" at the game.  This is no one fault, it's just how the distribution of players works.

 

What the problem becomes is what's "in it" for all the rest of players, and let's just acknowledge we're talking the vast middle tiered players who have played thousands of battles, spent some real cash, learned some, maybe many of the tricks and tips of the game but for whatever reason never reach the upper skill levels. Spare us the "git gud" crap, not everyone wants to make this a life's calling here. So, what "rewards" do they get? It's not just a fancy gold tank, or models of tanks with what are frankly performance enhancements, but what about all the other little perks, the enhanced equipment etc that can only be obtained thru success at...you know it...higher skill levels of play.  

 

Then, add in a minority of the "exemplary" players talk smack about everyone they deem lesser than, while the continue to win, win, win...not just from skill, but all those goodies they got for being so "gud".  Some of them will even brag about how they don't even have to pay for anything anymore they are so darned good.  

 

Is it any wonder that the vast middle of players either resent this  status quo, just blow it off (which further irritates the top group), or...and this is what WG should be thinking about...just move on to some other game.

 

It is what it is, but Wargaming COULD address the issues and give the middling group reason to hang on.

This is a real argument.  I am done talking smack about other players.  I am just trying to get war gaming attention that this is a real problem.  They wonder why they lost so many players?  Time to stop beating around the bush.



Cowcat137 #5 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:23

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Giving better equipment to better players makes no sense.  Rewards yes, advantages no.

WolfHenkel #6 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:28

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View PostCowcat137, on Jan 06 2020 - 22:23, said:

Giving better equipment to better players makes no sense.  Rewards yes, advantages no.

I agree dont give anymore advantages.  Thats the whole point of getting rid of the reward tanks in tournament play.  Dont give anyone more advantage than anyone else.

 



Da_Craw #7 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:33

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Making reward tanks too powerful was a massive fail in the first place, and one that was easy to avoid.  The goal is to reward the best/most dedicated players while avoiding competitive imbalance.  WG already had the solution figured out with the original premium tank philosophy.  Slightly worse tanks in combat effectiveness, but with a meta-reward.  More xp, more credit earning.  Reward tanks should be the same, only moreso.    

Kramah313 #8 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:43

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I think a cool prize would be a skin that made a tier 10 tank of the player’s choice into a tier 10 premium tank. Most of those good players seem to like playing tier 10 anyways, so let them make money there and train crews, etc. It would also give them less reason to go down to lower tiers. It might let them afford gold spam, premium food, etc more but I’d rather they have those advantages than 279e, chieftain, etc. 

PuddleSplasher #9 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:47

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Phew I logged off after 1 continuous sentence. :popcorn:

Ahrtoo #10 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:48

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View PostCowcat137, on Jan 06 2020 - 22:23, said:

Giving better equipment to better players makes no sense.  Rewards yes, advantages no.

 

When WG first started giving out reward tanks they were pretty average. People competed for them because they were so exclusive. (Since then that exclusivity has been significantly lessened, but that's another subject.)

 

Now the whole game is built around getting people to chase after advantages. (OP tanks, premium equipment, etc.) They are probably making a ton of money doing it. But between that and the dumpster fire they have turned lower tier battles into the game is way less enjoyable now than it used to be. 

 

 



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only tech tree tanks should be allowed!

JakeTheMystic #12 Posted Jan 07 2020 - 00:17

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I'd argue that reward tanks shouldnt be allowed in any form of organized/comp play--ranked, tournaments, clan wars, advances, skirms, ect, just as league used to be and the old call to arms tournaments.

 

They are obviously better than their non-reward counterparts so why should they be a factor when competing? That or at the very least balance the tanks so this isnt a problem in the first place. The old tier 8 campaign tanks were balanced for their time, premiums actually had trade-offs that didn't necessarily make them better than their non-premium counterpart. Then at some point in time WG decided "wait, we can make even more money just by making these things better and better!" so now tier 8 clan wars is out of question, the old reward tanks suck, and any current reward tank is easily the best think out there *cough Chieftain *cough* 279e. 

 

Community: Hey, this 279e is outperforming people by quite a bit, perhaps its time for a nerf?

Unicum in disguise: Nah, only good players can get their hands on it so if anything it's under-performing 

WG: DID SOMEONE SAY THE TANK IS BAD?

Everyone: What, n-

WG: BUFF TIME IT IS!

Community: At least they can be somewhat countered with der-

WG: Oh btw derp guns are getting nerfed omegalul

Community: WHAT THE ****



cloudwalkr #13 Posted Jan 07 2020 - 00:54

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Any good player I know of could see what an issue Enhanced Equipment might bring.  Especially for bonds only.  They were stupid, and never should have been introduced to the game.  Does anyone expect different from WG at this point?

 

As for Tourneys, only tech tree tanks should be allowed.  Any tank available should be allowed to be researched in the tech tree.  There are arguments for boths sides, but in my opinion, this is just the simplest, fairest solution. 


Edited by cloudwalkr, Jan 07 2020 - 00:56.


_Sm0kE #14 Posted Jan 07 2020 - 02:40

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i  agree  that wargaming  has  started  something they  cant be   fixed  it  should be   tec tree  tanks .  thats all  we  ask  for  give  the  up start clans  a  chance to play  unbaized 

Moridin_707 #15 Posted Jan 08 2020 - 21:57

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Map selection sucks as well. Why are 1vs1 on Ensk 80% of the time? It just ends up a Russian tank facehugging rng contest. No skill involved, and it drastically limits your tank selection.

Edited by Moridin_707, Jan 08 2020 - 21:58.


airdevilsinn #16 Posted Jan 16 2020 - 01:30

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ban all mods from tourney play 

 



empyreal_recon #17 Posted Jan 16 2020 - 01:57

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Tournaments page is broken by the way... admins please address this asap

_Koschei_ #18 Posted Jan 30 2021 - 02:53

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I agree with you OP  just faced a 279e and T95 cheifton in WOT salute tournament.....fair balanced skill based tournament  wargaming did not give an unfair advantage to that team. 

 

wargaming said many years ago after the T59 fiasco that premium tanks would never be better than tech tree counterparts.



GealicWolf #19 Posted Feb 01 2021 - 07:51

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View Post_Koschei_, on Jan 30 2021 - 02:53, said:

wargaming said many years ago after the T59 fiasco that premium tanks would never be better than tech tree counterparts.

HA!



Zr4torK #20 Posted Feb 04 2021 - 16:06

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What is the point of earning reward tank if you cannot use them, except for random battle...

 

People who work their [edited]of to get the obj. 260 or the 279(e) have to expect them to be better of then any other tech tree conterpart tank, since they are way harder to get then normal tank. Else there is no point to get them at all...

 

They AT LEAST, all need to be playable in any sort of Clan Wars battle, and be better then their counterpart tech tree (same for the new CW reward tank).

 

 





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