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Poll: KV-5 gun upgrade? (17 members have cast votes)

Do or have you own(ed) a KV-5?

  1. Yes (15 votes [88.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 88.24%

  2. No (2 votes [11.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

Would you like to see an upgraded gun on the KV-5?

  1. Yes (12 votes [70.59%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 70.59%

  2. No (5 votes [29.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 29.41%

What gun would you like to see on the KV-5?

  1. Tier VI ML-20S 152mm howitzer (2 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  2. Tier VIII(?) ZiS-23 107mm AT gun (8 votes [44.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

  3. Keep the existing tier VII ZiS-6 107mm AT gun (6 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. Something else (2 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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GeisterKatze #1 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 00:35

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Ok, so I have some down-time, and I decided to compare our old KV-5's gun to every other tier VIII tank in the game.  Just for some base information there seem to be 145 tier VIII tanks, 94 of which are premium or reward tanks.  Of these 94 premium/reward tanks, 8 have tier VII guns;  all others have tier VIII-X guns.  Since our KV-5 is one of those 8 tier VIIIs equipped with a tier VII gun, I am looking at those below.  Also, I didn't include tech-tree tier VIII tanks because the "Tankopedia" lists the penetration statistics for the weakest gun the tank can mount, thereby skewing the data.  I did look at each tier VIII tech-tree tank, and all of them finish with at least a tier VIII gun. 

 

LTs

U.S. T92; 76mm gun, pens 175mm/210mm/38mm; 2000dpm

MTs

U.S. M46 KR; 90mm gun, pens 192mm/243mm/45mm; 1777dpm

U.S. T25 Pilot; 90mm gun, pens 192mm/243mm/45mm; 1846 dpm

U.S.S.R. T-54 "first prototype" and T-54 "first prototype" FL; 100mm gun, pens 190mm/247mm/50mm; 1875 dpm

U.S.S.R. T-44/100 and T-44 FL;  100mm gun, pens 190mm/247mm/50mm; 2000 dpm

HTs

U.S.S.R. KV-5; 107mm gun, pens 186mm/219mm/54mm; 2100 dpm

 

So our old KV-5 has the second weakest penetration gun in-game for all tier VIII premium tanks, better only than the U.S. T92.  It's somewhat sad that one of the oldest tier VIII tanks in the game is ranked 93rd out of 94 tier VIII tanks in terms of gun penetration.  Don't forget that this is not the KV-5s original penetration statistics;  it used to pen only 175mm with regular ammunition!  Our KV-5s dpm is 18th of 94 tier VIII premium/reward tanks which does make for a nice balance to it's low penetration.  I personally would like to see some type of rework done with the KV-5.  I've read a few articles about a 107mm ZiS-23;  If this was an improvement to the ZiS-6 but not quite as potent as the ZiS-24, perhaps an upgrade could be done.  Also, I've often thought that the KV-5 would be playable with a 152mm ML-20S, even thought it's a tier VI gun.  Either one of these upgrades would improve the offensive capability of the tank without "OPing" it.

 

What do you other KV-5 drivers think?



The_Illusive_Man #2 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 00:48

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Just give it a 152 with high pen. Because that would be fun...

 

Oh, buff the armor, and speed. It was the ramming king, now not so much...



GeorgePreddy #3 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 01:40

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It has PREF MM and never sees tier 10.  Copious amounts of gold ammo loaded makes it a real threat. If it got any serious buff or buffs, it would have to lose its pref MM status... most owners don't want that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



MagillaGuerilla #4 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 02:10

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It should have the BL-10 from the Obj.268.

Jaguarz #5 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 02:26

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View PostGeorgePreddy, on Jan 12 2020 - 01:40, said:

It has PREF MM and never sees tier 10.  Copious amounts of gold ammo loaded makes it a real threat. If it got any serious buff or buffs, it would have to lose its pref MM status... most owners don't want that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


This is what everyone conveniently ignored when asking for buffs to preferential MM tanks, they WERE going to buff them and do away with the pref MM but everyone cried so it didnt happen.



lordpelvis #6 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 02:47

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Give it the derp.....

I've been asking for that for a long time.



CamuMahubah #7 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 03:09

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I rarely play the IS-6 anymore because I have to shoot so much APCR.

IS-6 186mm/225mm/61 2000 dpm

GeisterKatze #8 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 10:57

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My thanks to everyone who chimed in with their thoughts on this subject.  CamuMahuBah, it's interesting that the IS-6(which replaced the KV-5) has also been 'power-crept'. 

Flishy #9 Posted Jan 12 2020 - 15:00

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I don't own the KV-5, and don't plan to get one (thought the 112 does seem dank) but the KV series tends to be the heavy raw armored, slow big tanks. While the IS series (IS-6 in this case) tends to be the more mobile series focused on extending armor. So, giving the KV-5 more speed, would defeat that purpose, but also giving more armor would make this an absolute hell for lower tiers. Maybe change the resistances so it can be a bit more flexible in peeking. You compared it to tanks that see tier 10 and that does not do it much justice. 

https://tanks.gg/compare/kv-5?t=is-6%7E112%7Echrysler-k%7Et-34-3%7Etype-59%7Efcm-50-t%7Et26e4%7Et-54-mod-1%7Em46-kr

I put a bunch of tanks together and two tanks at the end that see tier 10s, and the KV-5's gun is not that bad compared to them. Especially since the buff, its less about the gun considering it used to have 167 pen and worse gun stats. It also has pretty good dpm for the heavy gun pref mm tanks. I think its more so game has changed since the Skorp G has been released.

 

I think they should toy around with the idea of a credit/exp mulitplier for every tank, based on something. So, like harder to play tanks have a bigger credit/exp payout to account for it being booty. Instead of just Defender smash.






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