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JONDIESATTHEEND #1 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 04:43

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Is it worth it to move your best crew to the Leopard 1? I suck donkey balls at tier 9 and 10 but the Leopard PTA is the first medium tank I have done well in tier 9. I have 3 crews for German mediums but one good one is in the other German medium line. Out of the other 2 one is 3 crew skills with no zero skill crew members. The one I have in the PTA has the Santa Clause and 3 women and I used books and that 850,000 Xp book on Santa so that they are on their 5th skill for Santa and 4th for everyone else. So my question is should I move the good crew out of my one tier 9 medium that I do well in to the tier 10 or put the lesser crew in the tier 10? I have almost 59% WR and 1850 W8 in the PTA which is way, way above my actual skill level so I am kind of scared to mess that up by putting in a lesser crew but do not want to go into the tier 10 with a barely adequate crew either.  

Prediator #2 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 04:50

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the Leo is very unforgiving at tier 10.. there are many better tier 10 tanks.. but if you are going to play it then yes you should play it with at least a 3 skill crew.. safe stowage, ss, and camo are minimums

Christojojo #3 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 05:15

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IMHO: The german mediums in the upper tiers are quickly outclassed by the Russians and should be only played by players more talented than average.

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Nerat_Kirine #4 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 05:50

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I find the Leopard hard to carry with because it can't take hits. It's a very good tank but good luck doing much more than farming end-game damage if you have a potato team.

JONDIESATTHEEND #5 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 17:11

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View PostChristojojo, on Jan 25 2020 - 22:15, said:

IMHO: The german mediums in the upper tiers are quickly outclassed by the Russians and should be only played by players more talented than average.


That is what everyone says but in the tier 9 I have done way better than I should as a not very good player. 



NeatoMan #6 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 17:20

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It's just not as good at taking the aggressive forward positions as other tier 10 meds, especially if there is any kind of peeking over elevation involved.  It's turret just can't bounce anything, and that forward ammo rack behind paper armor makes it even worse.

 

Still, the players I see having trouble in theirs sit way too far back.   They get maybe one or two shots in for every four or five the forward tanks exchange.  Not gonna influence many battles that way.  It's tough finding that happy middle ground in this tank, but IMO, I'd err on being too far forward than too far back.

 

I play more tier 9 than 10, so I keep my best crews on my tier 9s, and my backup crews on the tier 10s.  They are only 1 or 2 skills behind so no big loss.



Anublister #7 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 17:20

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yes

Tao_Te_Tomato #8 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 17:37

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If you're liking and doing well with the PTA, it might be worth taking time to work up a second crew for the Leopard and just keeping the PTA.  Save the cost of retraining the crew twice if it turns out the Leopard is also a hairball for you.

 

I've got a couple lines where the IX is as far as I'm going, but if the X ever tempts me I'll spend time on a new crew for it, not yanking the IX crew.  Looking at YOU, Tortasaurus Wrecks....



ThePigSheFlies #9 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 20:45

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tier 10 playing experience in general is much less enjoyable for me, especially in "support" mediums.  the meta is seemingly 7 TDs and 3 SPG every single battle.

 

there are oft complained about "over powered" reward tanks from personal mission campaigns and clanwars as good players continue to try to mark them.

 

for me, the tier 9 was not enjoyable in the past.  it is now very much so.  the tier 10 is also enjoyable as a tank.  but the maps, and the meta mean I don't take it out hardly at all.  so much so that I've been mostly boycotting tier 10s whilst doing the 2nd personal campaign missions and very nearly have my own 279e (truth be told I've been very close to it since Halloween, but have casually been grinding out other missions in different groups)



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I agree with those saying that in general tier 10 is less forgiving (and less fun, in my opinion) than tier 9. Therefore I’ve kept many of my best crews in tier 9 tanks.
OP, why do you want to move up to tier 10? If there isn’t a specific reason - clan activities, ranked - and if you’re enjoying the PTA, then why not just stick with that and ignore the Leo 1?
(Side note:  I’ve been doing very well in the PTA and Leo 1 but can’t play the E50 at all.  I wonder why that is...)

InappropriateHandHolding #11 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 21:29

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View PostImperator_____, on Jan 26 2020 - 05:50, said:

I find the Leopard hard to carry with because it can't take hits. It's a very good tank but good luck doing much more than farming end-game damage if you have a potato team.

It can carry just need to know how to abuse boosh



NeatoMan #12 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 21:51

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View PostInappropriateHandHolding, on Jan 26 2020 - 15:29, said:

It can carry just need to know how to abuse boosh

That requires a team to hold them down up front so you can make use of teh boosh properly.  It's a much more team dependent strategy



SquiggyMcPew #13 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 22:24

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Leo 1 is superb after the buffs but you have to know your way around a map. It's not for casuals.

Flarvin #14 Posted Jan 26 2020 - 22:28

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View PostSquiggyMcPew, on Jan 26 2020 - 16:24, said:

Leo 1 is superb after the buffs but you have to know your way around a map. It's not for casuals.


Based on the Leo 1’s tank curve graph, all skill levels of players are underperforming their WR in it. 
 

And for players with over a 55% WR, they are performing worse currently than overall. Which does not support your claim. 



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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 26 2020 - 22:28, said:


Based on the Leo 1’s tank curve graph, all skill levels of players are underperforming their WR in it. 
 

And for players with over a 55% WR, they are performing worse currently than overall. Which does not support your claim. 

 

Sure and if you look up german tanks in general the curve is under performing across the board. Even guds have typically poorer performance in german tanks than any other line. That doesn't mean the tanks are poor(though many are) just not as gud as say the rooshin hovertanks which set the standard. I see plenty of deep purple unicum level play in the leo 1 just a quick search away on twitch streams. Would those unicums get a deeper purple score in say a 430u? Sure, but it doesn't mean the leo 1 is crap because it isn't.



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View PostSquiggyMcPew, on Jan 26 2020 - 16:53, said:

 

Sure and if you look up german tanks in general the curve is under performing across the board. Even guds have typically poorer performance in german tanks than any other line. That doesn't mean the tanks are poor(though many are) just not as gud as say the rooshin hovertanks which set the standard. I see plenty of deep purple unicum level play in the leo 1 just a quick search away on twitch streams. Would those unicums get a deeper purple score in say a 430u? Sure, but it doesn't mean the leo 1 is crap because it isn't.


If every skill level of players underperform in a tank, I would not call it superb. 



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Honestly it is a lot of fun to play but you have to be very careful.

Goat_Rodeo #18 Posted Jan 27 2020 - 03:56

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If you have a German premium medium you could always grind a crew from the Chinese New Year missions. They’re zero perk BIA crews and if you have the Putz you could grind it in FL when it comes out. It’s hard to say weather or not to move the crew up a tier as tier 10 seems so different from running tier 9s and it might be a waste if you get the Leopard and find yourself getting nailed to the wall. 

Maybe try the test server out and see what you think? Plus where do you you have the other crews?

Crazy thing is I have the Leopard PTA as well and love that damn thing. It’s got good view range, an excellent 105mm gun and can flex the map. You’re flank is falling and your strong mediums are getting some prison yard lovin? No problem, just accelerate the eff off to a better spot and keep doing damage. 


Edited by Goat_Rodeo, Jan 27 2020 - 04:00.


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Just stick with the PTA for a while, work on another crew if you have a way to do so, and revaluate after a bit.

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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 26 2020 - 23:47, said:


If every skill level of players underperform in a tank, I would not call it superb. 

 

Sure. But under performing when compared to the rooshin hovertanks doesn't mean they suck. Just that people only like to play with the most effective toys.







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