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grandthefttankV #21 Posted Jan 27 2020 - 09:33

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The leopard 1 is really a TD. Snipe from far away and use your camo. If you must fight at close quarters stay behind the heavies and only pop out to shoot once the enemy has fired.

That said, yes the leopard needs a big buff. Your win rate in this tank will largely be dependent on how well your team scouts and fights. As others have said above, it is extremely hard to carry in this tank, especially if you are stuck in a city map.

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View PostgrandthefttankV, on Jan 27 2020 - 09:33, said:

That said, yes the leopard needs a big buff.

 

What can you point out here that needs a buff? Maybe another degree of gun depression and a bit more engine power is all I can see them doing. The gun is already buffed to hell and back basically td level on a mobile medium with reasonable camo.

 

https://tanks.gg/tank/leopard-1?l=000001&e=30.18.21&c=10.-1.-1&k=0.1.2.3.8.9



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All German tanks play similar now a days, few exceptions (E-series), stay back and shoot from far away.  Vk's, Panthers, Tigers all have crap armor with big hit zones, the Leopards are one big hit zone.  I'd go back and train some more crews at lower teirs, tier 5-6-7 meds and hvys.   The VK30's and Panther basically have to play the same way a Leopard has to, but you'll live longer, get more shots off and train not only your crew faster but yourself too.

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View PostSquiggyMcPew, on Jan 27 2020 - 01:35, said:

Sure. But under performing when compared to the rooshin hovertanks doesn't mean they suck. Just that people only like to play with the most effective toys.


The Leo is underperforming, and there are more than just “rooshin hovertanks” that the Leo drivers are facing. 



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ugh..I have the pta unlocked but now after reading these posts, not sure if I want to get it now.

It does give me trouble at times when I face it, so thought about getting it.

Now, maybe I will put it on the shelf like so many other tanks unlocked but not purchased.

Seems to be my meta now...=(



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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 27 2020 - 13:39, said:


The Leo is underperforming, and there are more than just “rooshin hovertanks” that the Leo drivers are facing. 

 

And yet I see gud players excel in it all the time even when rooshin hovertanks are in the match. Sure they will do well in most tanks but if it really was a stinker the win rate curve would be far worse.



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View PostSquiggyMcPew, on Jan 27 2020 - 13:23, said:

 

And yet I see gud players excel in it all the time even when rooshin hovertanks are in the match. Sure they will do well in most tanks but if it really was a stinker the win rate curve would be far worse.


Sorry, I will stick with what the data says over how you feelz. 



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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 27 2020 - 20:27, said:


Sorry, I will stick with what the data says over how you feelz. 

 

Maybe you misread the data? :bajan:

 

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/619420-we-were-promised-a-e100-buff-in-2019/page__st__20__pid__12391450#entry12391450



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No, I did not. 
 

http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/ru/germany/G125_Spz_57_Rh



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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 27 2020 - 20:40, said:

 

I'll trust the commentary and opinion of a gud clan wars player over a random pubbie. Sorry. :P



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View PostSquiggyMcPew, on Jan 27 2020 - 14:47, said:

 

I'll trust the commentary and opinion of a gud clan wars player over a random pubbie. Sorry. :P


I’ll trust the data over your or anyone else’s feelz. 



SquiggyMcPew #32 Posted Jan 27 2020 - 20:51

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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 27 2020 - 20:50, said:


I’ll trust the data over your or anyone else’s feelz. 

 

No one is stopping you from jumping in the lake after all. :trollface:



grandthefttankV #33 Posted Jan 27 2020 - 21:43

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View PostSquiggyMcPew, on Jan 27 2020 - 09:45, said:

 

What can you point out here that needs a buff? Maybe another degree of gun depression and a bit more engine power is all I can see them doing. The gun is already buffed to hell and back basically td level on a mobile medium with reasonable camo.

 

https://tanks.gg/tank/leopard-1?l=000001&e=30.18.21&c=10.-1.-1&k=0.1.2.3.8.9


The gun is great but still needs improvement. Utterly stupid when cold war era apcr shells cant pen the rubber tires on a lynx. The armor needs definite improvement. It is nothing short of annoying when you are at the mercy of scout tanks firing ww2 era shells out of tiny pop guns. If they wont buff the ammo or armor then at least some better view range is in order.



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View PostgrandthefttankV, on Jan 27 2020 - 21:43, said:


The gun is great but still needs improvement. Utterly stupid when cold war era apcr shells cant pen the rubber tires on a lynx. The armor needs definite improvement. It is nothing short of annoying when you are at the mercy of scout tanks firing ww2 era shells out of tiny pop guns. If they wont buff the ammo or armor then at least some better view range is in order.

 

Except that in real life the leopard 1 was vulnerable to ww2 era guns especially the early 100mm on the rooshin mbt. It's design philosophy was mobility paired with a lethal gun not an armored beast like the abrams. There really isn't anything they can do armor wise so really all that is left is mobility and the gun. Sure view range might be buffed but it's already some of the highest in the game with a 410 base.



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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 27 2020 - 12:50, said:


I’ll trust the data over your or anyone else’s feelz. 

 

The data shows a good tank with a high skill floor... not an underperfoming tank... so... not sure why you want to continue pursuing the wrong line here.



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View PostSquiggyMcPew, on Jan 27 2020 - 20:52, said:

 

Except that in real life the leopard 1 was vulnerable to ww2 era guns especially the early 100mm on the rooshin mbt. It's design philosophy was mobility paired with a lethal gun not an armored beast like the abrams. There really isn't anything they can do armor wise so really all that is left is mobility and the gun. Sure view range might be buffed but it's already some of the highest in the game with a 410 base.

That may be true, but in real life tanks usually engage each other over long distances, not at rifle range. None of this peek a boo, hide behind an indestructible building, or having an enemy tank vanish into thin air at 500 feet nonsense.



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View PostgrandthefttankV, on Jan 27 2020 - 22:04, said:

... or having an enemy tank vanish into thin air at 500 feet nonsense.

 

One of the best parts of the game!  I can count the panes in one window right next to it, but a 50 ton armored vehicle is just mist in the wind at the same range.



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View PostAvalon304, on Jan 27 2020 - 15:55, said:

 

The data shows a good tank with a high skill floor... not an underperfoming tank... so... not sure why you want to continue pursuing the wrong line here.


No skill level of players over perform their WR in the Leo, based on NA server stats. 
 

That is not a high skill floor tank. 
 

I will continue to pursue what the data shows, and not how someone feelz. 



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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 27 2020 - 22:16, said:

I will continue to pursue what the data shows, and how someone feelz. 

 

Odd. That is exactly how we feelz. :popcorn:



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View PostFlarvin, on Jan 27 2020 - 14:16, said:


No skill level of players over perform their WR in the Leo, based on NA server stats. 
 

That is not a high skill floor tank. 
 

I will continue to pursue what the data shows, and not how someone feelz. 

 

 

Ummm... you are looking at the wrong data then. Here are the tank curves for the Leopard 1 from NA:

 

 

Past month shows that players 54% and above perform on par or better in the Leopard 1, while overalls show that the skill floor of the tank exists at ~58%, meaning the buffs to the tank have succeeded in pulling the skill floor of the tank down.

 

EDIT: Also you literally linked the WoT-News page for the Rhm Panzerwagon and not the Leopard 1... so... thats definitely the wrong data.

 

EDIT2: Not only was it the Rhm. Panzerwagon page, but it was for the RU server, and not NA... as the NA Rhm Panzerwagon page is here:

 

http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/us/germany/G125_Spz_57_Rh

 

and this is the Leopard 1's:

 

http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/us/germany/G89_Leopard1


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