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D1CKENS #1 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 22:05

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I am struggling to understand why WG is making massive changes to HE. Recently HE has been in a fine state... just leave it? 

You are effectively BUFFING tanks like the 279E. The most broken tanks in the game are only getting better with these changes... 

You are KILLING tanks that rely on he guns (but didnt change the kv2 because its russian and a premium counterpart you cant change)

Arty is p2w.

 

Removing tanks:

 

I understand wanting to streamline the lower tiers but this DOES NOT include removing higher tiered tanks because you plan on selling them in the blackmarket or bondshop in the future (its obvious you do).

An obvious reasoning of this is so new players will be quickly rushed down a single low tier line to get into the upper tiers fast.

The "collectors" thing is weird and unnecessary but not a big deal to me.

Lower tiers are going to become 3 different tanks on each team and boring as hell (not that I play them anyway)

 

PLEASE reconsider some of these massively game breaking changes

 

 


Edited by D1CKENS, Feb 10 2020 - 22:09.


Doublenut #2 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 22:17

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HE nerf came out of people demanding and crying about arty and its removal. The forums were more salty than normal that week when wg decided it was going to screw EVERYONE over with the ammo nerf. Yes you are right several tanks will get a buff of sorts.  They passed a Nobel law all the trees are kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw.

SawUcomin #3 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 22:26

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This is EXACTLY what this game needs!

Allowing certain tanks to run circles around others and splash damage for massive points is DUMB!

Every player should be required to hit the "sweet" spot to pen or no points awarded

This game has SPG's that have 1100 potential damage and yet do ZERO damage with direct hits.

This same applies for numerous other tanks where their HE shells do very little.

This game is SERIOUSLY unbalanced and this should be just the first of many steps at correcting this.

But its actually doubtful Wot can ever correct all the poor decisions it has made that has RUINED the balance in this game

Hopefully Camo will be next right beside the bricked wheelie damage model that allows direct hits to bounce ridiculously and allows them smash into brick walls

for absolutely no damage.

Not to mention that they turn ridiculously sharp and go from forward to reverse faster than physically possible 

I'm not sure why WOT has not made this a priority over everything else

Everyone knows its broken and yet they do sfa!



Cricketer #4 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 22:27

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View PostDoublenut, on Feb 10 2020 - 16:17, said:

HE nerf came out of people demanding and crying about arty and its removal. The forums were more salty than normal that week when wg decided it was going to screw EVERYONE over with the ammo nerf. Yes you are right several tanks will get a buff of sorts.  They passed a Nobel law all the trees are kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw.

 

The irony is that arty HE rounds will still have penetration, whereas all other HE shells will not (apart from KV-2).



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View PostD1CKENS, on Feb 10 2020 - 16:05, said:

I am struggling to understand why WG is making massive changes to HE.

Because lots of players asked for it.

 

I don't think it needs changing, you don't think it needs changing, but it has always been fairly unpopular. Whether we like it or not, they are changing HE in response to feedback from their player base.

View PostD1CKENS, on Feb 10 2020 - 16:05, said:

Arty is p2w.

Ummm, what? There's nothing p2w about arty, that's just silly.



GaMe_SuX #6 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 22:38

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lol at arty p2w... sheesh, another person who just throws p2w around without a clue what p2w even means.

D1CKENS #7 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 22:45

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View PostPipinghot, on Feb 10 2020 - 16:34, said:

Ummm, what? There's nothing p2w about arty, that's just silly.

 

You clearly havent looked at the supertest bud



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View PostPipinghot, on Feb 10 2020 - 16:34, said:

Because lots of players asked for it.


Outside of complaints about arty, I really do not remember much complaints about HE on this forum. Definitely not one of the staple complaints. 
 

If WG is going to make changes merely “because lots of players asked for it,” then there other things that have far more players asking to be changed. 



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Problem is we don't know how the RU server feels about the changes. Since they are the majority we are a bit left in the dark.

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With these changes, I'm gonna have to take T49 out back behind the shed and Old Yeller it.  :C

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View PostFeargrim27, on Feb 10 2020 - 23:27, said:

Problem is we don't know how the RU server feels about the changes. Since they are the majority we are a bit left in the dark.


They bribed them by keeping it intact on the KV-2 and KV-2R Comrade.  Need I say more?  For all those who say, "But one is a premium, they can't nerf it," any of my premiums that shoot HEP/HESH would like word with you.  Hint: NONE OF THEM ARE RUSSIAN.



Beorn_of_the_NorthernSea #12 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 23:58

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Do not [edited] with my KV-2.

Zuikakoo #13 Posted Feb 10 2020 - 23:59

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I look at this changes and I'm afraid, I don't think the game is going to survive this.   

Das_Flamingo #14 Posted Feb 11 2020 - 00:26

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View PostSawUcomin, on Feb 10 2020 - 22:26, said:

This is EXACTLY what this game needs!

Allowing certain tanks to run circles around others and splash damage for massive points is DUMB!

Every player should be required to hit the "sweet" spot to pen or no points awarded

This game has SPG's that have 1100 potential damage and yet do ZERO damage with direct hits.

This same applies for numerous other tanks where their HE shells do very little.

This game is SERIOUSLY unbalanced and this should be just the first of many steps at correcting this.

But its actually doubtful Wot can ever correct all the poor decisions it has made that has RUINED the balance in this game

Hopefully Camo will be next right beside the bricked wheelie damage model that allows direct hits to bounce ridiculously and allows them smash into brick walls

for absolutely no damage.

Not to mention that they turn ridiculously sharp and go from forward to reverse faster than physically possible 

I'm not sure why WOT has not made this a priority over everything else

Everyone knows its broken and yet they do sfa!

I have advocated before for tiered ammunition. Standard rounds are reliable pen and damage, gold rounds give 10-20% higher pen but 10-20%less damage, and HE rounds give higher damage for correspondingly diminished penetration PROVIDED THEY PENETRATE! Because in actuality, HE rounds have a cast body which encourages at least SOME penetration. Otherwise they deal chip damage like in world of warships. 

 

I have to point out that, apart from Mario Karts, the old right click/left click shtick is more often used by mobile tanks to circle strafe, with either AP or Premium. I don't want center mass shots in my jumbo or su-152, I want to creep up and park a G D round on someone's engine deck! The fact that there are numerous power creep vehicles in this corridor heavy game means that if I want to contribute as a lower tier, I either need to load gold, or snipe tracks and hatches with my derp gun. With the Jumbo being neutered in their proposed rebalance why bother playing it when it is just a crap easy eight? 



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View PostZuikakoo, on Feb 10 2020 - 23:59, said:

I look at this changes and I'm afraid, I don't think the game is going to survive this.   

I've heard that argument many times before you were a member.



Zuikakoo #16 Posted Feb 11 2020 - 00:37

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View PostDeathstar_Commander, on Feb 11 2020 - 00:27, said:

I've heard that argument many times before you were a member.

Only because they've found workarounds to keep the matchmaker working, I remember when we had 2 huge servers here in NA, a west and an east, with a fully functional matchmaker.  Now, we've got USC, and a SA server that has as many bots as humans, and you still can't reliably get into a T10 game after 11pm EST on a weeknight.



FrontenacDuVandoo #17 Posted Feb 11 2020 - 00:56

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View Postsubweevil, on Feb 10 2020 - 17:56, said:

 

They bribed them by keeping it intact on the KV-2 and KV-2R Comrade.  Need I say more?  For all those who say, "But one is a premium, they can't nerf it," any of my premiums that shoot HEP/HESH would like word with you.  Hint: NONE OF THEM ARE RUSSIAN.

Which premium tank shoots HEP/HESH?

No, the Death Star is not a premium tank.



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View PostFrontenacDuVandoo, on Feb 10 2020 - 18:56, said:

Which premium tank shoots HEP/HESH?

No, the Death Star is not a premium tank.


You might want to let the wiki know that, because it is listed there as a prem TD. 
 

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:GB48_FV215b_183



FrontenacDuVandoo #19 Posted Feb 11 2020 - 01:02

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View PostFlarvin, on Feb 10 2020 - 18:58, said:


You might want to let the wiki know that, because it is listed there as a prem TD. 
 

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:GB48_FV215b_183

Looking at the wiki's article on Premium it doesn't make the difference between Premium and Reward. The wiki is weird sometimes.

Tankopedia has it as a Reward tank: https://worldoftanks...B48_FV215b_183/

So does the game.


Edited by FrontenacDuVandoo, Feb 11 2020 - 01:05.


Flarvin #20 Posted Feb 11 2020 - 01:55

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View PostFrontenacDuVandoo, on Feb 10 2020 - 19:02, said:

Looking at the wiki's article on Premium it doesn't make the difference between Premium and Reward. The wiki is weird sometimes.

Tankopedia has it as a Reward tank: https://worldoftanks...B48_FV215b_183/

So does the game.


For me, reward tanks are prem tanks, just without the credit earning bonus. Reward tanks treat crews the exact same way as other prem tanks. 
 

In garage, reward tanks are treated as prem tanks in the filters used for displaying tanks.







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