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Weird idea to balance the AMX 30's?


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Tupinambis #1 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 03:13

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So since WG is still interested in the basic idea of "gold ammo = less damage", I figured this could open up new, interesting ways to balance vehicles around their base penetration values, since the pen values for both standard and premium ammo will both become very important balancing factors for vehicles in the future.

 

Anyway, the idea is this:

Take the AMX 30's [and the AMX Cda, because it uses the same gun], nerf the reload speeds and whatever, and then give them only one shell type; a HEAT shell that has 350mm or 400mm of penetration. 

That's it
No AP shell. No "gold" shell. No HE shell. 

If this sounds stupid to you, bear with me for a second while I explain what this accomplishes.

1. Its "realistic". Not that this, like, actually matters, but whatever. The actual shell had 600mm of pen, but that would be a little too stupid for this game.

2. It makes the AMX 30's unique and interesting, rather than just being miserable, stupid M48/Centurion wannabe clones, only worse. Likewise the AMX Cda becomes really intesting instead of a stupid clone of the KJP 105 and a bad version of the STRV S1. 

3. It can actually be very well balanced after the gold ammo rebalance. Since it will have only one shell type, it will be balanced against the "normal" 105mm mediums by having way, way higher standard pen, but low ROF and low stabilization and whatever. It will be still be balanced against those other tanks when they just mash the 2 key, because they will be doing "normal" damage, while the other mediums gold shells will be doing "reduced" damage... and burning money like a [edited].

This will really only be possible after the gold ammo rebalance. if WG introduced this now, these tanks will just become pointless because all of the other mediums can smash 2 to achieve basically the same effect without sacrificing ROF/Gun handling/whatever. With the rebalance though? WG can really make these tanks cool. Maybe not actually GOOD, but cool. Smashing straight through an Object 268v4 with standard ammo would be hilarious. 



tod914 #2 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 04:09

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Easy fix.  Compound W on the the tumor.

TheseViolentDelights #3 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 04:11

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Honestly, just give the tier IX terrific gun handling & leave everything else the same.

 

Tier X needs the tumor gone & higher base pen.


Edited by TheseViolentDelights, Mar 26 2020 - 04:12.


Tupinambis #4 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 04:16

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View Posttod914, on Mar 26 2020 - 04:09, said:

Easy fix.  Compound W on the the tumor.

 

View PostTheseViolentDelights, on Mar 26 2020 - 04:11, said:

Honestly, just give the tier IX terrific gun handling & leave everything else the same.

 

Tier X needs the tumor gone & higher base pen.

I mean, yeah those changes would make those tanks better, but it still leaves them as boring Patton/Centurion wannabes. I guess that would still be okay, but I want these tanks to be really interesting. 



Burhead06 #5 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 04:35

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not every tank in the game can be entirely unique and different from every tank in the game.

 

also giving a tier 8 premium tank 350 or 400mm pen on "standard" ammo is not going to make it unique , just braindead.
 

hell giving 400mm pen to a non td even at tier 10 even on gold ammo  let alone standard is just such a garbage idea.



Tupinambis #6 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 04:46

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View PostBurhead06, on Mar 26 2020 - 04:35, said:

not every tank in the game can be entirely unique and different from every tank in the game.

 

also giving a tier 8 premium tank 350 or 400mm pen on "standard" ammo is not going to make it unique , just braindead.
 

hell giving 400mm pen to a non td even at tier 10 even on gold ammo  let alone standard is just such a garbage idea.

"not every tank in the game can be entirely unique and different from every tank in the game."

Sure, but WG can at least try.

And you're partially right, it would make these tanks "braindead" in a sense, but it wouldn't make them OP. High skill floor, low skill ceiling. Some tanks can and should be balanced around extremely high base penetration. It is possible to do because WG has done it before. Hell they're doing it now. Is a tier 8 TD firing 350-400mm HEAT shells ACTUALLY worse than tier 6 tanks firing 243mm APCR shells? Not really, and I don't see many people claiming that the M6 heavy is overpowered. 



EDIT: I just realized that there are already tier 8 tanks that have 340mm pen HEAT shells. I don't see many people claiming that the WZ111 1 FT is overpowered or really a serious balance problem even with that HEAT shell. If it can get away with it, surely the AMX Cda can too. 


Edited by Tupinambis, Mar 26 2020 - 04:52.


tod914 #7 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 05:33

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View PostTupinambis, on Mar 25 2020 - 22:16, said:

 

I mean, yeah those changes would make those tanks better, but it still leaves them as boring Patton/Centurion wannabes. I guess that would still be okay, but I want these tanks to be really interesting. 

 

They were a bit more unique before they "rebalanced" them. 



Avalon304 #8 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 12:41

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View Posttod914, on Mar 25 2020 - 21:33, said:

 

They were a bit more unique before they "rebalanced" them. 

 

No they werent... they were worse Leopards (and this was before the Leopard 1 and PTA were buffed, so thats saying something).

 

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The tier 9 AMX 30 is one of the best tier 9 mediums right now. The tier 10 just needs a little more penetration on both its rounds. Both the tier 9 and 10 already have good soft handling values (some of the best in their tiers):

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/amx-30-b?t=centurion-ax%7E121b%7Eleopard-1%7Em48-patton%7Em60%7Estb-1%7Eobj-907%7Eobj-140%7Ee-50-m

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/amx-30?t=centurion-71%7Ee-50%7Ekpz-50-t%7Eleopard-pt-a%7Em46-patton%7Etype-61

 

 



TastyPastry #9 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 15:43

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Point 1 is useless. You should never justify something in an arcade tanks game with realism. 






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