Jump to content


German tir 8 mediums are a joke. All tiers really.

armor rigged bias russian German one sided

  • Please log in to reply
29 replies to this topic

marc_2018 #1 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 05:28

    Corporal

  • -Players-
  • 18893 battles
  • 41
  • Member since:
    01-07-2018

When is wg going to fix the German tanks, specifically the medium ones.  Accuracy is way off now compared to the russian ones.

Armor is trash.  Camo is trash.  Speed is trash to mediocre.  Played the shwarpanzer 59 and leapord PT.  couldn't hide and snipe

like your supposed to (even with good crew and consumables).  It's like the camo was turned off (no lurking scouts close either).

 

Looks like German tanks get screwed at all levels.  I heard that wg was going to do something to the E100.  Yeah, regular medium tanks shooting

through the front....Germans had more armor than anyone in their turrets..... wg just makes it a joke.

 

why does wg make German tanks so dismal compared to other nations.  Most of the nations in WW2 had crap tanks (including russia)

until the last year of WW2.  Why do they keep sticking Germans with WW2 tanks when other nations get more modern and fantasy tanks in

their tiers?  Wheeled vehicles, twin cannon,  autoloaders.   Where is a Maus with a 6 shot 128mm?  It's big enough....

 

wg continues to not earn players confidence nor $.  It's like they don't care.



AlabsterJane #2 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 05:34

    Private

  • -Players-
  • 3110 battles
  • 4
  • [CMGA] CMGA
  • Member since:
    12-30-2018
agreed with you on panzer.58 and indien panzer, but not on leo PTA. After the huge buff leo PTA now is a good or very good Tier 9 sniper, it should now have highest (or one of) total damage of 3 marks of excellence among tier 9 mediums.

_Red_Saaryn_ #3 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 05:36

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 27196 battles
  • 2,136
  • [BRU2L] BRU2L
  • Member since:
    08-09-2015
Wg has a grudge against germany. Just look at the vk3601(h) they ruined it and not happy with (edited) destroying most of the tech tree they go out of their way to ruin a perfectly balanced med the vk3001(p) by making it a heavy. So what did they do in order to make it a heavy? ADDED HP! wow what a big f(edited) change! But wait that's not all! The guns remain the same! The armor remains the same!(poor for a med, completely useless for a heavy) and what completely kills the tank. The VK used to reach 60km stayed at 55km for most of the times. Now it will barely reach 30km and probably stay at 20km most of the time. What a good f(edited) way to ruin a perfectly fine med which wasn't OP nor awful...

I_QQ_4_U #4 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 05:48

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 25159 battles
  • 8,830
  • Member since:
    10-17-2016
The tier 6 and 7's are some of the best. I don't keep many tech tree tanks but I kept the Panther and VK 30.02D which might be the best tier 7 med IMO. The 30.01P is really good too but I think it's going to be ruined when they change it to a heavy. The 30.02M is pretty good too at tier 6, the 30.01D is OK too thought plays more like a light. I don't mind the 58, not a great tank but not horrible, the Panther II was meh, again not horrible though. Have not played the Indien yet.

thehelmsman #5 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 05:53

    Staff sergeant

  • Players
  • 9158 battles
  • 373
  • Member since:
    06-20-2011
Leo PTA and Leo 1 are some of the best meds in the game at their respective tiers, now. Maus is still the best roadblock in the game. E75 is still a solid tier 9 heavy. E100 is getting buffed considerably. Panther II, E50, and E50M could probably use some love, but seriously, the Germans have plenty of good tanks.

VK36 needed to be a heavy because it leads to Tiger I and it was historically part of Tiger's development cycle. VK30P needs to be a heavy because it leads to the Tiger P and the superheavy lines; hopefully they won't nerf it to oblivion, but we'll have to see what they do with it.

--Helms

CheapWine #6 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 06:49

    Sergeant

  • -Players-
  • 22784 battles
  • 148
  • Member since:
    11-06-2016
My guess is that the boys in Minsk bear a bit of a grudge against WWII era  Germany. 

SquiggyMcPew #7 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 08:04

    First lieutenant

  • -Players-
  • 56 battles
  • 667
  • Member since:
    10-28-2019

View PostCheapWine, on Mar 26 2020 - 06:49, said:

My guess is that the boys in Minsk bear a bit of a grudge against WWII era  Germany. 

 

There is that but also understand that in this game the german line faces tanks it never had to face in war. The main reason german tanks had that legendary reputation was because at the time they were up against mass produced suicide boxes which the allies and russians spammed out. In this game they face tanks that laugh at their armor and can shrug off their guns with ease and this is especially true of the mediums. As others have said in other threads most of the german line needs to be down tiered to level the playing field.



_Draklor_ #8 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 08:10

    First lieutenant

  • Players
  • 10803 battles
  • 755
  • Member since:
    01-20-2014
According to developers E50 tech tree branch is next in line for rebalancing after they are done with IS-4, E100, and E5 lines.

I_QQ_4_U #9 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 08:25

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 25159 battles
  • 8,830
  • Member since:
    10-17-2016

View Post_Draklor_, on Mar 26 2020 - 08:10, said:

According to developers E50 tech tree branch is next in line for rebalancing after they are done with IS-4, E100, and E5 lines.

 

 

Kind of surprised at that, I thought it was an OK line, there's certainly other tanks that need attention more.



_Draklor_ #10 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 08:35

    First lieutenant

  • Players
  • 10803 battles
  • 755
  • Member since:
    01-20-2014

View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Mar 25 2020 - 23:25, said:

 

 

Kind of surprised at that, I thought it was an OK line, there's certainly other tanks that need attention more.

I'm with you on that, but that's what developers said yesterday... They actually said "rebalancing" which doesn't necessary mean "buff", so we'll see what they mean by that when it happens.



Burhead06 #11 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 08:45

    Sergeant

  • Players
  • 13392 battles
  • 140
  • [CURED] CURED
  • Member since:
    05-24-2013
you might have a point at the lower tiers , but the pta is super good , one of the best tier 9 meds.

Youdda #12 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 13:10

    Sergeant

  • Players
  • 69686 battles
  • 248
  • Member since:
    02-25-2013

I do not think the German mediums are terrible, but there always has to be a worst. While I still like playing German mediums I will agree they are not my go to tanks. T5, T6, T7 are all decent tanks. I prefer other tanks but that does not make them terrible.

T8 is not to good. The Indein has it's moments where it does well and I think it is better than the Pershing. Just now getting Leopard PTa up to speed.



NeatoMan #13 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 13:12

    Major

  • Players
  • 29368 battles
  • 21,763
  • [ROXY] ROXY
  • Member since:
    06-28-2011
Many of the older tier 8 mediums have been trash since WG went to +/-2 tier MM.   The fact that they needed special MM weights is proof.

AESOP_Retired #14 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 13:36

    First lieutenant

  • Players
  • 35094 battles
  • 838
  • Member since:
    02-22-2011

I love my PTA................best tier 9 medium for me

and still enjoy my E50


Edited by AESOP_Retired, Mar 26 2020 - 13:45.


2MOEJOE #15 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 13:46

    First lieutenant

  • -Players-
  • 4748 battles
  • 985
  • Member since:
    11-28-2017
I'm hearing a lot of PTA love so I might need to try that thing because I'm not that good in many tanks it would be nice to find another pixel sole mate.

Edited by 2MOEJOE, Mar 26 2020 - 13:47.


NeatoMan #16 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 13:55

    Major

  • Players
  • 29368 battles
  • 21,763
  • [ROXY] ROXY
  • Member since:
    06-28-2011

View PostAlabsterJane, on Mar 25 2020 - 23:34, said:

agreed with you on panzer.58 and indien panzer, but not on leo PTA. After the huge buff leo PTA now is a good or very good Tier 9 sniper, it should now have highest (or one of) total damage of 3 marks of excellence among tier 9 mediums.

too bad sniping doesn't win games.



2MOEJOE #17 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 14:34

    First lieutenant

  • -Players-
  • 4748 battles
  • 985
  • Member since:
    11-28-2017

View PostNeatoMan, on Mar 26 2020 - 07:55, said:

too bad sniping doesn't win games.

And this right here has kept me out of German tanks.The first thing I see a Leopard 1 or PTA do out of spawn is take up sniping positions having zero effect on the battle until late game and it's too late by then. This may have worked back in 2014 but it's just handicaps pub teams now.Oh I'm sure there are great players that make it work but honestly we know there aren't that many of those that can make the tank work me included.I've considered getting the PTA but no way would I waste any XP or money on a Leopard 1.



NeatoMan #18 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 14:40

    Major

  • Players
  • 29368 battles
  • 21,763
  • [ROXY] ROXY
  • Member since:
    06-28-2011

View Post2MOEJOE, on Mar 26 2020 - 08:34, said:

And this right here has kept me out of German tanks.The first thing I see a Leopard 1 or PTA do out of spawn is take up sniping positions having zero effect on the battle until late game and it's too late by then. This may have worked back in 2014 but it's just handicaps pub teams now.Oh I'm sure there are great players that make it work but honestly we know there aren't that many of those that can make the tank work me included.I've considered getting the PTA but no way would I waste any XP or money on a Leopard 1.

Sniping requires a team that will keep the enemy occupied while you go to work.  If your team can't do that there is nothing you can do about it.  Get a russian med in your face and you are screwed...

 

They say play it like mobile TD...   which basically means the same as I said above...  glom off the players up front.  Most replays of great Leopard games either have russian meds as platoon mates, or are games against tomato teams with horrible deployment; giving them freedom to work one side of the map.  

 

These require the stars to align properly more so than other medium tanks that can go out and align the stars for themselves



thehelmsman #19 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 15:45

    Staff sergeant

  • Players
  • 9158 battles
  • 373
  • Member since:
    06-20-2011
 

View PostNeatoMan, on Mar 26 2020 - 08:40, said:

Sniping requires a team that will keep the enemy occupied while you go to work.  If your team can't do that there is nothing you can do about it.  Get a russian med in your face and you are screwed...


This is true, but it is also incomplete. Sniping also requires you to have good situational awareness and map knowledge that you can use to leverage your teammates' positioning and behavior to advantage. These are the things that separate good players from merely average ones: good players know how to read the information the game presents to them and use it to make plays; they are rarely ever sitting in a bush or other position at the edge of the view range circles, and doing nothing apart from waiting for the enemy to come to them. Good players are active and constantly looking for opportunities, and trying to control whatever portion of the map they're on.


--Helms

NeatoMan #20 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 15:58

    Major

  • Players
  • 29368 battles
  • 21,763
  • [ROXY] ROXY
  • Member since:
    06-28-2011

View Postthehelmsman, on Mar 26 2020 - 09:45, said:

This is true, but it is also incomplete. Sniping also requires you to have good situational awareness and map knowledge that you can use to leverage your teammates' positioning and behavior to advantage. These are the things that separate good players from merely average ones: good players know how to read the information the game presents to them and use it to make plays; they are rarely ever sitting in a bush or other position at the edge of the view range circles, and doing nothing apart from waiting for the enemy to come to them. Good players are active and constantly looking for opportunities, and looking to control whatever portion of the map they're on.

That still requires a team to occupy the enemy long enough for you to reposition all over the place from flank to flank.  You are rarely going to be the one that breaks open a flank and gets the ball rolling for your team with sniping.   You are mostly reacting and letting the other team dictate the pace of battle.







Also tagged with armor, rigged, bias, russian, German, one sided

1 user(s) are reading this topic

1 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users


    waddyscrodmonger