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__WarChild__ #1 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 20:10

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Howdy Tankers,

 

I'm curious to know if or when Wargaming made an announcement that they were nerfing the HE qualities for Tier III tanks like the Cruiser II and M2 Medium?  Can someone link the posting?  Because Wargaming clearly nerfed both of those tanks and possibly more, but those are the two that I own that rely heavily on HE.  If they didn't announce it, then that's pretty bad IMHO.  

 

SIDE NOTE: I don't care if the numbers are still the same.  I am telling you all beyond a shadow of a doubt that those tanks LOST their complete destructive capability recently and I would not have known that had I not taken them out the last few days. Example: A side shot to any Tier III medium or light tank with the Cruiser II is an automatic deletion under normal circumstances.  Now, you get about 140 damage.  That's about 200HP shy of what it should be able to do.

 

I am not saying that the nerfing itself is bad, but NOT TELLING ME that they were doing it is bad.  If I just missed the posting, then I apologize for being miffed about this.  Again, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing but it just makes the tanks irrelevant now and not worth playing.

 

Thanks for your time and attention.

 

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BigDollarBillz #2 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 20:16

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I haven't seen anything from them about nerfing anything on tier 3 tanks. But I never play them either. So I may have missed it as well. But since my big stroke in November and a smaller stroke in December at a rehab, I haven't played much since I have been back home.

 



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I think your just noticing the damage difference between penetrating and not penetrating with the HE round.  Probably just had a run of rounds not penning.  HE usually does damage no matter what, few exceptions.  Also tank your hitting can absorb HE dmg with tracks, side spaced armor, spall liner.

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View Post__WarChild__, on Mar 26 2020 - 13:10, said:

Howdy Tankers,

 

I'm curious to know if or when Wargaming made an announcement that they were nerfing the HE qualities for Tier III tanks like the Cruiser II and M2 Medium?  Can someone link the posting?  Because Wargaming clearly nerfed both of those tanks and possibly more, but those are the two that I own that rely heavily on HE.  If they didn't announce it, then that's pretty bad IMHO.  

 

SIDE NOTE: I don't care if the numbers are still the same.  I am telling you all beyond a shadow of a doubt that those tanks LOST their complete destructive capability recently and I would not have known that had I not taken them out the last few days. Example: A side shot to any Tier III medium or light tank with the Cruiser II is an automatic deletion under normal circumstances.  Now, you get about 140 damage.  That's about 200HP shy of what it should be able to do.

 

I am not saying that the nerfing itself is bad, but NOT TELLING ME that they were doing it is bad.  If I just missed the posting, then I apologize for being miffed about this.  Again, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing but it just makes the tanks irrelevant now and not worth playing.

 

Thanks for your time and attention.

 

__WarChild__

 

Nothing has been changed in the game right now. Take off the tinfoil and step away from the forums. FFS.



BrianTheBomber #5 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 20:19

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Replay or it didn't happen.

If you have more than 100 examples then we can talk until then it's just anecdotal. 

 

EDIT- LOL I could not resist- I believe you WC just F with you mate.


Edited by BrianTheBomber, Mar 26 2020 - 20:22.


Tupinambis #6 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 20:19

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This mostly looks like an artifact of HP pools at lower tiers going up, but the damage of the HE gun not going up, so you can't 1-hit KO things anymore. 

EDIT: Wait, are you talkinga bout the live server or the 1.9 test server?

Edited by Tupinambis, Mar 26 2020 - 20:20.


__WarChild__ #7 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 20:29

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Well, I don't know what to tell you.  I've played the Cruiser II the last 2 days on the NA server and sometimes the M2 Medium and rather than delete tanks, I was just damaging them so they had time to come kill me.  It legit seemed like something was wrong when side shots were not doing full damage.

 

However, I just loaded into game on the SA Server (no clue why) and had a game with some bots.  All I can say is THIS is what I am used to with the Cruiser II:

 

http://wotreplays.eu...d-cruiser_mk_ii

 

Total deletion & domination.

 

I guess I was wrong and I need to get fitted for a new Tin Foil Hat.  :facepalm:

 

 



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Pen vs non-pen.  Battlehits solves many mysteries.  

allenr #9 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 20:35

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they better not mess with my GrossTractor-Krupp, i love that thing, seriously

__WarChild__ #10 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 20:41

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View PostKliphie, on Mar 26 2020 - 13:30, said:

Pen vs non-pen.  Battlehits solves many mysteries.  

I understand penning versus not penning.  But the Cruiser 2 never cared when it came to meds/lights, especially the sides of them.  If you can watch the short replay, I delete all of the enemy tanks no matter where the shell lands.



Casual_Boops #11 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 21:01

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View Post__WarChild__, on Mar 26 2020 - 13:29, said:

Well, I don't know what to tell you.  I've played the Cruiser II the last 2 days on the NA server and sometimes the M2 Medium and rather than delete tanks, I was just damaging them so they had time to come kill me.  It legit seemed like something was wrong when side shots were not doing full damage.

 

However, I just loaded into game on the SA Server (no clue why) and had a game with some bots.  All I can say is THIS is what I am used to with the Cruiser II:

 

http://wotreplays.eu...d-cruiser_mk_ii

 

Total deletion & domination.

 

I guess I was wrong and I need to get fitted for a new Tin Foil Hat.  :facepalm:

 

 

 

Maybe next time be a bit more introspective and investigate possible outcomes before going all "Chicken Little" on the forums because you didn't pen a few shots? Just a thought.



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Cruiser II is going to tier II so certantly it will be nerfed anyway. M2 medium nerf is good news, in special because it will not be required for grinding uptier (collector's tank)

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View PostTheJeep1, on Mar 26 2020 - 20:18, said:

I think your just noticing the damage difference between penetrating and not penetrating with the HE round.  Probably just had a run of rounds not penning.  HE usually does damage no matter what, few exceptions.  Also tank your hitting can absorb HE dmg with tracks, side spaced armor, spall liner.

 wg stated they are trying to make low tier matches last longer so they are adding hp and reworking he to that effect.That some tanks rely on he is beyond wg's understanding of the game as that is only superficial and reliant mostly on them listening to who crys more in forums.



Cpt_Zapp_Brannigan #14 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 21:27

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my cruiser still hits like a freight train, but sometimes HE gets a little screwy and you get a day with low rolls. 

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View PostTheJeep1, on Mar 26 2020 - 20:18, said:

I think your just noticing the damage difference between penetrating and not penetrating with the HE round.  Probably just had a run of rounds not penning.  HE usually does damage no matter what, few exceptions.  Also tank your hitting can absorb HE dmg with tracks, side spaced armor, spall liner.


Uhh he is talking tier III side spaced armor and spall liners? Not a big chance of absorption of anything including a spit ball at tier IIi.



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View Post_Katyusha___, on Mar 26 2020 - 21:03, said:

Cruiser II is going to tier II so certantly it will be nerfed anyway. M2 medium nerf is good news, in special because it will not be required for grinding uptier (collector's tank)


Might want to read the post on the Sand Box/test where the OP says they didn't do anything to the tanks just moved them around.



__WarChild__ #17 Posted Mar 26 2020 - 22:56

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View PostCasual_Boops, on Mar 26 2020 - 14:01, said:

 

Maybe next time be a bit more introspective and investigate possible outcomes before going all "Chicken Little" on the forums because you didn't pen a few shots? Just a thought.

 

That's a good thought.  I'll heed it.  :great:



Cpt_Zapp_Brannigan #18 Posted Yesterday, 12:06 AM

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Looking at the 1.9 test server, the low tier derps are extinct... except the BT-7 artillery if you have one. Too bad they can't one shot a hetzer and PZ II J's like the cruiser II could. 

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Its ok, Warchild.  You'll still be able to pad with something at that tier. :playing:

lordpelvis #20 Posted Yesterday, 12:38 AM

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Some people just need to hear themselves......talking About OP.




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