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Shaker_ #1 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 01:47

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MM could use better balancing of teams. I use XVM. I see too many battles with crazy imbalances; like green and blue player team vs yellow and orange player team. I don't enjoy it even when I am on the OP team...not a fun challenge. MM should be able to balance by tier; i.e. the sum of the battle ratings of all tanks of the same tier being equal on both teams. Also: drop 3 tiers in a battle...bottom tear usually just gets rolled, even though sometimes the bottom tier has a good game...sometimes, only. 

 

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The_Pink_Panther #2 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 01:49

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A new development team that is clearly not in over their head would be a great place to start from.

Avalon304 #3 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 01:55

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Theres nothing to fix. Random MM is how it should be.

Xeraux_TV #4 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 02:07

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Random MM best MM <3

KaiserWilhelmShatner #5 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 02:07

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Remember when a M7 Med would see a T95 doom turtle?

Remember 3-5-7?

 

Yea, MM is a pleasure now compared to then.

 



Whistling_Death_ #6 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 02:42

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View PostShaker_, on Apr 29 2020 - 19:47, said:

MM could use better balancing of teams. I use XVM. I see too many battles with crazy imbalances; like green and blue player team vs yellow and orange player team. I don't enjoy it even when I am on the OP team...not a fun challenge. MM should be able to balance by tier; i.e. the sum of the battle ratings of all tanks of the same tier being equal on both teams. Also: drop 3 tiers in a battle...bottom tear usually just gets rolled, even though sometimes the bottom tier has a good game...sometimes, only. 

 

Still enjoying the game after 9 years... most of the time. Thanks WG

 

It's your XVM that is the problem. It's broken. Get rid of it. It's a real fun killer, as you are experiencing. Per the W.o.T. Customer Service Department, mods also can cause game crashes, freezes, lag, high ping, visual errors, (like getting shot through rocks), and they also open a port in your computer that hackers can use to gain access to your computer.

 

When we have 15 players on a team selected randomly, about 1/3 will be good, 1/3 will be average and 1/3 will be below average. They will win battles 48-52% of the time. These are the laws of mathematics and XVM can not change those laws. XVM saying otherwise proves that XVM is broken.

 

XVM causes great harm in its color coding perceived skill level, which is totally broken. Matchmaker does not select teams based on win rates, etc., so that is totally random and when it's random that means that both teams will be about the same in win rates, give or take a few percentage points. XVM does not change the laws of mathematics. But when some people see their team is supposedly mostly red players and the other team mostly green players, they don't play as well, as they assume they can't win, or worse yet, they commit suicide, greatly harming their teams chance of winning. The result? A self-fulfilling prophecy loss.  XVM is terrible. There's no need for it.  Get rid of XVM.  It's a huge fun killer.

 

 

 



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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Apr 30 2020 - 02:07, said:

Remember when a M7 Med would see a T95 doom turtle?

Remember 3-5-7?

 

Yea, MM is a pleasure now compared to then.

 

Just because it's better doesn't mean it can't be improved. Super heavies and wheelies should be a class of their own for a start. Limit the wheelies to one per team. Those are two easy fixes.



_Tsavo_ #8 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 02:48

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Well, what you have is a solution in need of a problem. 

 

Want better teams?  Be the better player. 



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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 29 2020 - 20:48, said:

Well, what you have is a solution in need of a problem. 

 

Want better teams?  Be the better player. 

Did you get beat up a lot as a kid or are you a kid who gets beat up a lot?



_Tsavo_ #10 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 02:59

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View Postwildcat18, on Apr 29 2020 - 20:56, said:

Did you get beat up a lot as a kid or are you a kid who gets beat up a lot?

 

This is a stupid comment, well done.



wildcat18 #11 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 03:00

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 29 2020 - 20:59, said:

 

This is a stupid comment, well done.

I will take that as a yes, thank you for answering



GeorgePreddy #12 Posted Apr 30 2020 - 03:24

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Nope, MM doesn't need "fixed", cuz it ain't broke.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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View PostShaker_, on Apr 29 2020 - 19:47, said:

MM could use better balancing of teams. I use XVM. I see too many battles with crazy imbalances; like green and blue player team vs yellow and orange player team. I don't enjoy it even when I am on the OP team...not a fun challenge. MM should be able to balance by tier; i.e. the sum of the battle ratings of all tanks of the same tier being equal on both teams. Also: drop 3 tiers in a battle...bottom tear usually just gets rolled, even though sometimes the bottom tier has a good game...sometimes, only. 

 

Still enjoying the game after 9 years... most of the time. Thanks WG


Skill based match making will not make the game better. Limiting match maker tier difference to +1/-1 would solve most of the tank balancing problems we have in game and make the game far more enjoyable for most. Wargaming still tries to claim that +2/-2 is necessary, even though only three tiers (6, 7 and 8) actually have +2/-2 match making. Tiers 4 and 5 get +2/-1 which seems unfair, tier 1 gets +1/-0, tiers 2 and 3 get +1/-1, tier 9 gets +1/-2 and tier 10 gets super preferential match making of +0/-2. Its long overdue that the +1/-1 match making be tested in the sandbox, but Wargaming is afraid to try it because they know it would likely work and be very popular. They are fixed on the +2/-2 model because it encourages premium ammo use.



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View PostAvalon304, on Apr 29 2020 - 18:55, said:

Theres nothing to fix. Random MM is how it should be.


Absolutely incorrect and that's because I don't drink the kool aide, like some do.



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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 29 2020 - 19:48, said:

Well, what you have is a solution in need of a problem. 

 

Want better teams?  Be the better player. 


Much love Tsavo but so wrong, this time.  Truthfully, you know it too.  Being a better player will not change MM and we all know it.  Please don't start sounding like Georie Porgie and look at this game through rose colored glasses.  This game is in dire need of a huge overhaul to fix so many issues and MM is one of them.



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View PostThe_Pink_Panther, on Apr 29 2020 - 20:34, said:


Absolutely incorrect and that's because I don't drink the kool aide, like some do.

 

No, its completely correct. MM isnt broken, so there isnt anything to fix. Its random MM for random battles.

 

View PostThe_Pink_Panther, on Apr 29 2020 - 20:36, said:


Much love Tsavo but so wrong, this time.  Truthfully, you know it too.  Being a better player will not change MM and we all know it.  Please don't start sounding like Georie Porgie and look at this game through rose colored glasses.  This game is in dire need of a huge overhaul to fix so many issues and MM is one of them.

 

Nope... the game isnt in need of a "huge overhaul". (Also being a better player ensures that your team will always have a good player on it: you. Being bad is just a way for you to ensure that your team has a bad player).



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View PostThe_Pink_Panther, on Apr 29 2020 - 22:36, said:


Much love Tsavo but so wrong, this time.  Truthfully, you know it too.  Being a better player will not change MM and we all know it.  Please don't start sounding like Georie Porgie and look at this game through rose colored glasses.  This game is in dire need of a huge overhaul to fix so many issues and MM is one of them.

 

Oh good grief.  Sigh...

 

Whine, moan, belly-ache, cry, complain, whine, moan, belly-ache, cry, complain, whine, moan, belly-ache, cry, complain, whine, moan, belly-ache, cry, complain, ad nauseum.  Good grief.  It gets so old.


 



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Random MM is best MM.  Are there problems?  Yes, but that has more to do with WG design team and the tanks they have flooded the game with than MM.  

 

Random MM is best MM.

 

Some of you are blowing so much hot air it's hilarious.  



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WG trols at work lol




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