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DomoSapien, why is this a thing? (Progetto and standard B nerfs)


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t99_2015 #1 Posted May 22 2020 - 23:43

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These nerfs will turn the italian mediums into a joke.

The fact is, without a gun rammer, combined with worse gun handling, (and worse horsepower for the standard b), 

these italian mediums will be severely crippled and will not be able to perform effectively on the battlefield. 

Can you please try to send a message to the balance team that these nerfs are not needed. 

Seriously, you actually need to be skilled in order to actually play these vehicles correctly, or else you just do 1000 damage, and then die due to having crap dpm. 



JakeTheMystic #2 Posted May 22 2020 - 23:46

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Why didnt you just reply to his thread instead of making a new one?

t99_2015 #3 Posted May 22 2020 - 23:53

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on May 22 2020 - 23:46, said:

Why didnt you just reply to his thread instead of making a new one?

I already did. I'm just really angry, to be honest. 

The progetto 65 and the standard b are my only tier 9 and 10 tanks that I actually own. 

The high penetration values allow me to actually play these tank on a frequent basis, as a F2P player. 

I suppose they are just pixels, but I've spent a lot of time to train up these crews, just to see them become almost useless. 

 



tanopasman62 #4 Posted May 23 2020 - 00:00

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Apparently RU server was crying about Prog 65, why?, I have no clue, but considering that they're the only ones that take part on the supertest you know they can't be trusted.

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FedericoWR #5 Posted May 23 2020 - 00:03

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WoT in RU is a completely different thing. maybe the following is a buff to the EBRs or a nerf to AMX M4 mle 54 or something nonsense like that

t99_2015 #6 Posted May 23 2020 - 00:26

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So just a question?

The object 430u was nerfed, but it wasn't really that bad.

I'm at the t44, so should I continue to grind for it?

 

I'm also thinking about grinding to the stb-1 as well, is that a wise choice as well?


Edited by t99_2015, May 23 2020 - 00:27.


thegreat101 #7 Posted May 23 2020 - 00:33

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View Postt99_2015, on May 23 2020 - 00:26, said:

So just a question?

The object 430u was nerfed, but it wasn't really that bad.

I'm at the t44, so should I continue to grind for it?

 

I'm also thinking about grinding to the stb-1 as well, is that a wise choice as well?

yes, to the 430U, basicly making it pennable in Hulldown its a well needed Change, but it will still be very strong

and Personally, if you're good at the game and understand how it works the STB is a great choice, but if you're still learning, i would say, save the grind for later and focus on others. but its up to you :)

IS-7/277 one of the best lines to Learn the game in


Edited by thegreat101, May 23 2020 - 00:35.


SporkBoy #8 Posted May 23 2020 - 02:11

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Progs armor is cheese so just shoot them. No need for nerf.

bake3020 #9 Posted May 23 2020 - 02:42

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I am finding all this quite a funny.  If it takes this, all of this go make the old line classics really viable again, then I am for it.

TastyPastry #10 Posted May 23 2020 - 03:27

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View Postbake3020, on May 22 2020 - 21:42, said:

I am finding all this quite a funny.  If it takes this, all of this go make the old line classics really viable again, then I am for it.

 

The Progetto line is unique to the game. There's no reason to nerf them to the ground to prop up old tanks. Besides, old tanks are constantly getting updated, such as the proposed E 100, IS-4, E5 buffs. 



Primace #11 Posted May 23 2020 - 03:35

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Maybe the team is making space for new Soviet autoreloaders

only the Soviet can have the best!

nerf the capitalist nato pastas!

remember Soviet won every armed conflict with U.S. direct intervention 


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Jaguarz #12 Posted May 23 2020 - 03:40

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They overperform, thats it, stats show it, players know it.

 

If they are tanks you play you dont want them nerfed, but if you didnt you would be happy with it, this is the way of people.



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View PostJaguarz, on May 22 2020 - 21:40, said:

They overperform, thats it, stats show it, players know it.

 

If they are tanks you play you dont want them nerfed, but if you didnt you would be happy with it, this is the way of people.

no they aren't

making assumptions after the actions

justifying actions by faking reasons

find god after weird natural event

reverse logic, false causal-effect

you are wrong!

PG65 perform worse than 430U on RU, and getting hammered 



Primace #14 Posted May 23 2020 - 03:52

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View PostJaguarz, on May 22 2020 - 21:40, said:

They overperform, thats it, stats show it, players know it.

 

If they are tanks you play you dont want them nerfed, but if you didnt you would be happy with it, this is the way of people.

according to RU stattistics  https://en.wot-life.com/ru/serverstats/

PG65 is on the medium-low spectrum of all tanks



tanopasman62 #15 Posted May 23 2020 - 04:39

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View PostPrimace, on May 23 2020 - 03:52, said:

according to RU stattistics  https://en.wot-life.com/ru/serverstats/

PG65 is on the medium-low spectrum of all tanks

 

Yep, I checked their tank curves on wotnews, and not only the Progetto but, unexpectedly, the 430U as well are underperforming on bad players, and then they slightly overperform at higher levels (52%+).

 

Funniest of it all is that in the source you list you see both Cancertain and 279e at 57% and 61% WR respectively, but you know, nothing wrong with those.



Fractured_Raptor #16 Posted May 23 2020 - 04:48

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" We're going to nerf these vehicles because good players have it too easy in them. " Meanwhile we purposely engineer reward tanks to be far superior to tech tree tanks and do nothing about it. 

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View PostJaguarz, on May 22 2020 - 20:40, said:

They overperform, thats it, stats show it, players know it.

 

If they are tanks you play you dont want them nerfed, but if you didnt you would be happy with it, this is the way of people.

If WG were nerfing them for overperforming,  the 430 and 430U would be the ones getting gutted and the italians the smaller nerfs.  Note that I'm not saying the Italians don't need nerfs, as they seem to.  Just that there's a difference between a reasonable nerf and overnerfing to quite whiners.



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View PostPrimace, on May 23 2020 - 03:52, said:

according to RU stattistics  https://en.wot-life.com/ru/serverstats/

PG65 is on the medium-low spectrum of all tanks

 

By your metric the T-22 is overperforming and is in dire need of nerfing

 

 



BadLuckCharm #19 Posted May 23 2020 - 05:59

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Wow, it's not like i was actually going to get to tier 10 with the Italian line.

Probably.

 

...

 

Nah, i'd never make it to tier 10.



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View PostFractured_Raptor, on May 22 2020 - 21:48, said:

" We're going to nerf these vehicles because good players have it too easy in them. " Meanwhile we purposely engineer reward tanks to be far superior to tech tree tanks and do nothing about it. 

That is some typical goat-logic that rules WG






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