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lordkillsalot #1 Posted Aug 01 2020 - 20:01

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A while back WOT had an emerging esports scene with competitive pro teams to a certain extent. Then it seemed to all disappear overnight. Does anyone have any insight on what lead to this or why it didn't work out? Not that there isn't a competitive scene but it is no where near the spotlight as it once was.

_Brew_ #2 Posted Aug 01 2020 - 20:03

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View Postlordkillsalot, on Aug 01 2020 - 14:01, said:

A while back WOT had an emerging esports scene with competitive pro teams to a certain extent. Then it seemed to all disappear overnight. Does anyone have any insight on what lead to this or why it didn't work out? Not that there isn't a competitive scene but it is no where near the spotlight as it once was.

 

They keep changing the game mechanics and adding so much RNG that there isn't any point to try it.  Also eSports is a ridiculous term.  Yes, I know it's the official term, but I still say it's ridiculous.   Sitting in a chair clicking buttons is not a sport.  It can be a competition, you can gain skill in learning all the game mechanics and working to your best advantage.  But gaming is not a sport, and it never will be.



F0R_M07H3R_RU5514 #3 Posted Aug 01 2020 - 20:03

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There were so many instances where exchanges, and thus match results, were dictated by game mechanics instead of skill, it was laughed off of the world stage of esports.

SuperJaws100 #4 Posted Aug 01 2020 - 20:38

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View PostF0R_M07H3R_RU5514, on Aug 01 2020 - 14:03, said:

There were so many instances where exchanges, and thus match results, were dictated by game mechanics instead of skill, it was laughed off of the world stage of esports.

 

Yep. This is what happens when you have +/-25% RNG.



F0R_M07H3R_RU5514 #5 Posted Aug 01 2020 - 20:55

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View PostF0R_M07H3R_RU5514, on Aug 01 2020 - 14:03, said:

There were so many instances where exchanges, and thus match results, were dictated by game mechanics instead of skill, it was laughed off of the world stage of esports.

View PostSuperJaws100, on Aug 01 2020 - 14:38, said:

 

Yep. This is what happens when you have +/-25% RNG.

 

The culmination (in my mind, anyway) was a particular battle which had resulted in two remaining players.  One was a two-shot and the other was almost full HP.  It was down to the higher HP player finding the opponent and finishing him off.  Then, somehow a turret / copula shot lit a fire in the higher HP players tank and that was all she wrote.  Literally the entire match results were tossed into the rubbish bin.  The e-Casters were somewhat speechless for a few minutes.  All they could finally muster was a comment about unbelievably bad luck as a turret / copula shot resulting in a fire was obviously possible, but so far outside the realm of possibility ... well, you get the gist.



TornadoADV #6 Posted Aug 01 2020 - 21:40

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Electronic Sports can't fuction with such a large RNG band and call it "skill". So it died because nobody was going to put up with it at the top level that WG was trying to cultivate.

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World of Tanks could never be taken seriously with a +/- 25% RNG spread in damage and shot penetration.  It left battles to be determined by RNG and not player skill.

 

Also, the battles were boring to watch in several of the formats they tried.  Often ti would be very little happening for 80% of the battle and 20% of the battle had some action or potential for action.



F0R_M07H3R_RU5514 #8 Posted Aug 02 2020 - 00:33

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View PostBavor, on Aug 01 2020 - 15:48, said:

World of Tanks could never be taken seriously with a +/- 25% RNG spread in damage and shot penetration.  It left battles to be determined by RNG and not player skill.

 

Also, the battles were boring to watch in several of the formats they tried.  Often ti would be very little happening for 80% of the battle and 20% of the battle had some action or potential for action.

 

Yea, now that you mention it, and you're right, I wonder if this wasn't a troll post.  It's widely known just how much of a joke World of Tanks developed into on the e-Sports scene.



ExploratorOne #9 Posted Aug 02 2020 - 03:47

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I thought it was the costs involved that put a halt to it.

SuperJaws100 #10 Posted Aug 02 2020 - 07:50

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View PostExploratorOne, on Aug 01 2020 - 21:47, said:

I thought it was the costs involved that put a halt to it.

 

Those costs would be worth it if it drew in viewers. It did not.



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eSports was one of the main reasons we have premium rounds now instead of gold rounds.  WGing had to get rid of the blatant pay-to-win mechanic to get their foot in the door and we got stuck with the current "for credits" system after it flopped.

Prior to eSports, "gold spam" in pubs was practically non-existent.  You had to have really deep pockets to hit the 2 key in a pub, and even then the general consensus was that it was a total waste of gold to sling it at pubbies.

You saved that stuff for clan wars, where there was a chance to earn the gold rather than buy it by holding land. 


 



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View Post_Brew_, on Aug 01 2020 - 20:03, said:

 

They keep changing the game mechanics and adding so much RNG that there isn't any point to try it.  Also eSports is a ridiculous term.  Yes, I know it's the official term, but I still say it's ridiculous.   Sitting in a chair clicking buttons is not a sport.  It can be a competition, you can gain skill in learning all the game mechanics and working to your best advantage.  But gaming is not a sport, and it never will be.

 

Then what about baseball, golf, and chess?  Are they games or sports in your humble opinion your highness?

 

FYI Vegas allows me to gamble on eSports hence it is a sport!  (WoT is not bettable bc well...)

 

I will go a step further and state the eSports should be added to the Summer Olympics (and not just bc of COVID-19!)

 


Edited by RenamedUser_1037955028, Aug 03 2020 - 00:23.


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View PostRenamedUser_1037955028, on Aug 03 2020 - 00:23, said:

 

Then what about baseball, golf, and chess?  Are they games or sports in your humble opinion your highness?

 

FYI Vegas allows me to gamble on eSports hence it is a sport!  (WoT is not bettable bc well...)

 

I will go a step further and state the eSports should be added to the Summer Olympics (and not just bc of COVID-19!)

 


Chess is not a sport but certainly Baseball and Golf are. Those 2 take a physical ability and coordination to play.

 

You can bet on a lot of things in Vegas, that doesn’t make them sports. Sorry people playing video games is not a sport until they advance to the virtual world and you have to run and jump and stuff like that to play. Then you can make a argument.



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So then, NASCAR is not a sport? 



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View Post_Brew_, on Aug 01 2020 - 13:03, said:

 

They keep changing the game mechanics and adding so much RNG that there isn't any point to try it.  Also eSports is a ridiculous term.  Yes, I know it's the official term, but I still say it's ridiculous.   Sitting in a chair clicking buttons is not a sport.  It can be a competition, you can gain skill in learning all the game mechanics and working to your best advantage.  But gaming is not a sport, and it never will be.

 

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an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
"team sports such as baseball and soccer"
 
The lack of physical exertion keeps gaming from being a "sport".  Otherwise if qualifies by definition.

 



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View Post_tar, on Aug 03 2020 - 00:58, said:

So then, NASCAR is not a sport? 


NASCAR takes a lot of endurance they say. So those drivers have to work out and stay fit. 
 

I would say no but I can see the argument for yes.



themusgrat #17 Posted Aug 03 2020 - 04:20

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WG killed it. Changed things too much every season, plus the RNG issues as mentioned.

TastyPastry #18 Posted Aug 03 2020 - 04:54

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This game is like playing chess but when you go to capture a piece there's a chance your piece decides to move to an adjacent square. 

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View PostZombie_Snuggles, on Aug 02 2020 - 18:36, said:


Chess is not a sport but certainly Baseball and Golf are. Those 2 take a physical ability and coordination to play.

 

I don't watch a lot of eSports but, if you have ever seen a Starcraft II tournament, those high end competitors are performing 350-450 actions per minute (APM), deliberately.  Yes anyone can roll their face across a keyboard. I physically can't reliably press keys that fast and I've been using a computer for decades.  You have to physically exert yourself to move that quickly.  You may not break a sweat but, it takes a level of physical training and effort, same as Golf.  Unless its super hot, most golfers don't break a sweat.  Same with sports like Bowling and Billiards.



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It was a real shame just how badly managed the e-sports attempt was. It was obviously hemorrhaging ridiculous amounts of cash.

- articles about the event 3 days after finished. Info all over the map, very little cohesive production.

- unreadable screen info that didnt scale to any device except a high res monitor. Needed a TV sports production approach full stop.

- extremely poor sound production

- often unwieldy statistics, participation events

Fans and computer people did it, love em to pieces. But they needed TV production.

SIMP interviews were the bestest. Good times. All gone... like tears in the rain.







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