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PapaBear_3110 #1 Posted Sep 15 2020 - 17:09

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  Well tankers ..... here's another fine example of why WG's idea of math is garbage. First they told us that they had a "zero tolerance" to cheating ..... wrong .... they give the player a warning first - that is NOT a zero tolerance. Zero tolerance in any other language means that if someone cheats (with zero tolerance rules) means that if a player is caught he is immediately banned.

The second example of WG's twisted math is that they claim you will get 15% credit bonus for fighting in a platoon. WRONG. They only give 10% credit bonus. It seems that WG will almost go to any level to squeeze money out of the players. Change the equipment on lower tier tanks ....... and charge money for any "new" type of equipment that is available. When they ignore players that raise objections to the game changes they ignored them or try to smooth it over by handing out a pile of low tier tanks under the title "Tenth Anniversary" rewards. Most of them are garbage and (of course) you have to spend money on them to put equipment and consumables (if not crew training as well). They raise the cost of premium ammo, create new premium tanks (even if they don't have tracks), create a new line of double barreled tanks (which never existed), and lie about the platoon bonus. 

New players beware ..... WG will use any tactic to sell you premium tanks, premium time, and premium currency (gold) and they will stoop to any level to bleed you of as much money as they can. Like I've said numerous times ..... "Welcome to War Gaming ..... and leave your wallet at the door." Player Support will tell you that they don't force anyone to buy anything, but they continue to ram that crap called "Combat Intelligence" down your throat at every opportunity to sell something and with what seems like almost at the end of every battle. No, they don't force you ..... but they do everything to make the game difficult enough that without spending money on something (be it premium time, tanks, or gold) you won't progress very far up the tech trees ... or in battles.

(I won't be the surprised if this post gets removed by WG ........ only because it's the damned truth and they won't like it.)

 

WG has proven on numerous occasions that "caveat emptor"  (let the buyer beware) applies here more than ever. They (WG) are out for themselves and don't care what the players may think or want. They have proven that time and time again over the years.

 

Good luck (new) tankers ....... you're going to need it (as well as a deep wallet).

 

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Edited by PapaBear_3110, Sep 15 2020 - 17:17.


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The problem with a 100% zero tolerance policy is that some players do not know they are cheating.  As most of the cheats in this game are just mods and players may not look before downloading them.  The problem is more so that some of the mods give such a big advantage that they are borderline cheating.  And at some point they may flip the switch to say what was ok one day is no longer ok.  So loosing players when that happens isn't the best way to retain players.

 

I think the bonus is 15% if you have someone in the platoon with a premium account I believe.  Otherwise the amount is lowered to encourage at least one player to have premium time in a platoon.

 

Personally, I've never felt forced to buy anything, I've only purchased items since I wanted to support the game and keep the server lights on for a game I play a ton of.  If you feel forced to purchase items you might need to take a step back and think do I really need this item.  Most cases the answer is no, you don't need the item, it's just a nice to have like premium time.  Don't get me wrong I think the game is tilted towards pay to win a little, but if your up for a challenge that aspect can be over come.


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heaven forbid a company looking to make a profit. what is this world coming to

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I have a premium account and the bonus is only 10% in all the battles I was in (platoon with this morning).

I'm sorry but I don't believe that the cheaters don't know that they are cheating - they damn well know because in most cases they have to pay for that cheat. I'm not going to mention which cheats because I'm not stupid enough to mention them when players get banned for even mentioning them in the forums. But if you look for them ... you can find them.

I also understand that WG is a business and therefore has to make money. I just don't like the bull crap they hand out in advertising ...... and oh "how you'll be a force to be reckoned with if you buy this tank" or that tank. Like it or not ..... this game is like gambling. WG preys on the player that wants that next great premium award tank .... or the next medal, ... or the "prestige" of a high PR..... and, like gambling, the "house" (WG) will always win.

Anyone not believing that is only deluding themselves.

 

(And I expect, at any time,... the "bashers" will be out shortly calling me a "sh*tter", a cry baby, and everything else in defense of WG; most of them I believe are employees of WG or endorsed by, in some form, WG.... so go ahead and bash me all you want ..... it doesn't change the truth.)

 



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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 15 2020 - 11:47, said:

I have a premium account and the bonus is only 10% in all the battles I was in (platoon with this morning).

I'm sorry but I don't believe that the cheaters don't know that they are cheating - they damn well know because in most cases they have to pay for that cheat. I'm not going to mention which cheats because I'm not stupid enough to mention them when players get banned for even mentioning them in the forums. But if you look for them ... you can find them.

I also understand that WG is a business and therefore has to make money. I just don't like the bull crap they hand out in advertising ...... and oh "how you'll be a force to be reckoned with if you buy this tank" or that tank. Like it or not ..... this game is like gambling. WG preys on the player that wants that next great premium award tank .... or the next medal, ... or the "prestige" of a high PR..... and, like gambling, the "house" (WG) will always win.

Anyone not believing that is only deluding themselves.

 

(And I expect, at any time,... the "bashers" will be out shortly calling me a "sh*tter", a cry baby, and everything else in defense of WG; most of them I believe are employees of WG or endorsed by, in some form, WG.... so go ahead and bash me all you want ..... it doesn't change the truth.)

 

 

 

It's based on FTP account. So, 15% of base earnings does equal 10% of premium earnings. It might be you that has a problem with math.

 

For example, base earnings in a game are 500 XP @ 15% is a 75 bonus XP. Premium earnings would have been 750 XP but because the bonus only pays out on the base it appears to you as 10%.



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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 15 2020 - 10:47, said:

I'm sorry but I don't believe that the cheaters don't know that they are cheating.

I am with you on this one.  I believe anyone cheating knows they are cheating.  All cheats are publicized as such and there are plenty of warning surrounding them and there are many, many threads and lots of information on these very forums that warn and advise people to leave this stuff alone.  As well as WG's rudimentary list of known cheats, that they update periodically.  So no, everyone that cheats, knows that they are cheating and I too, do not believe in the so called "ZERO TOLERANCE"  that is claimed by WG.



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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 15 2020 - 11:09, said:

  Well tankers ..... here's another fine example of why WG's idea of math is garbage. First they told us that they had a "zero tolerance" to cheating ..... wrong .... they give the player a warning first - that is NOT a zero tolerance. Zero tolerance in any other language means that if someone cheats (with zero tolerance rules) means that if a player is caught he is immediately banned.

The second example of WG's twisted math is that they claim you will get 15% credit bonus for fighting in a platoon. WRONG. They only give 10% credit bonus. It seems that WG will almost go to any level to squeeze money out of the players. Change the equipment on lower tier tanks ....... and charge money for any "new" type of equipment that is available. When they ignore players that raise objections to the game changes they ignored them or try to smooth it over by handing out a pile of low tier tanks under the title "Tenth Anniversary" rewards. Most of them are garbage and (of course) you have to spend money on them to put equipment and consumables (if not crew training as well). They raise the cost of premium ammo, create new premium tanks (even if they don't have tracks), create a new line of double barreled tanks (which never existed), and lie about the platoon bonus. 

New players beware ..... WG will use any tactic to sell you premium tanks, premium time, and premium currency (gold) and they will stoop to any level to bleed you of as much money as they can. Like I've said numerous times ..... "Welcome to War Gaming ..... and leave your wallet at the door." Player Support will tell you that they don't force anyone to buy anything, but they continue to ram that crap called "Combat Intelligence" down your throat at every opportunity to sell something and with what seems like almost at the end of every battle. No, they don't force you ..... but they do everything to make the game difficult enough that without spending money on something (be it premium time, tanks, or gold) you won't progress very far up the tech trees ... or in battles.

(I won't be the surprised if this post gets removed by WG ........ only because it's the damned truth and they won't like it.)

 

WG has proven on numerous occasions that "caveat emptor"  (let the buyer beware) applies here more than ever. They (WG) are out for themselves and don't care what the players may think or want. They have proven that time and time again over the years.

 

Good luck (new) tankers ....... you're going to need it (as well as a deep wallet).

 

PapaBear_3110

 

 

Well, you sure do have a lot to dislike about this game company. Why play 34k battles? If it took you that long to come to all these conclusions, I'm sorry it took this long. If you knew all of this or most of this well before now, then why play 34k battles? If I had this much hate for a game company, I would not be playing any game they make at all.

 

It sounds more like you are just annoyed at something specific and decided to rant about the entire company. If that's the case, just step away. You'll get over it in no time. If you can't get over it, it might be best if you just totally quit playing any of WG's games because, guess what, they are all like this one. Probably need to stay away from gaming in general, unless you like Solitaire or Mindsweeper, because all games are looking for your money and will advertise everything to you to get you to spend it.



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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 15 2020 - 16:09, said:

  Well tankers ..... here's another fine example of why WG's idea of math is garbage. First they told us that they had a "zero tolerance" to cheating ..... wrong .... they give the player a warning first - that is NOT a zero tolerance. Zero tolerance in any other language means that if someone cheats (with zero tolerance rules) means that if a player is caught he is immediately banned.

The second example of WG's twisted math is that they claim you will get 15% credit bonus for fighting in a platoon. WRONG. They only give 10% credit bonus. It seems that WG will almost go to any level to squeeze money out of the players. Change the equipment on lower tier tanks ....... and charge money for any "new" type of equipment that is available. When they ignore players that raise objections to the game changes they ignored them or try to smooth it over by handing out a pile of low tier tanks under the title "Tenth Anniversary" rewards. Most of them are garbage and (of course) you have to spend money on them to put equipment and consumables (if not crew training as well). They raise the cost of premium ammo, create new premium tanks (even if they don't have tracks), create a new line of double barreled tanks (which never existed), and lie about the platoon bonus. 

New players beware ..... WG will use any tactic to sell you premium tanks, premium time, and premium currency (gold) and they will stoop to any level to bleed you of as much money as they can. Like I've said numerous times ..... "Welcome to War Gaming ..... and leave your wallet at the door." Player Support will tell you that they don't force anyone to buy anything, but they continue to ram that crap called "Combat Intelligence" down your throat at every opportunity to sell something and with what seems like almost at the end of every battle. No, they don't force you ..... but they do everything to make the game difficult enough that without spending money on something (be it premium time, tanks, or gold) you won't progress very far up the tech trees ... or in battles.

(I won't be the surprised if this post gets removed by WG ........ only because it's the damned truth and they won't like it.)

 

WG has proven on numerous occasions that "caveat emptor"  (let the buyer beware) applies here more than ever. They (WG) are out for themselves and don't care what the players may think or want. They have proven that time and time again over the years.

 

Good luck (new) tankers ....... you're going to need it (as well as a deep wallet).

 

PapaBear_3110

 

 

I don't use mods nor have I ever used a cheat in WOT. I have no time for cheaters but there are circumstances where people download a modpack and it contains stuff that was legal but then is made illegal at times.

 

I am all for one warning and then second offense is an account wipe (including all premium tanks) and ban. To not give a warning though would be grossly unfair to those who made a mistake and did not realize that they were using a cheat.


Edited by Markd73, Sep 15 2020 - 18:57.


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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 15 2020 - 10:09, said:

  Well tankers ..... here's another fine example of why WG's idea of math is garbage. First they told us that they had a "zero tolerance" to cheating ..... wrong .... they give the player a warning first - that is NOT a zero tolerance. Zero tolerance in any other language means that if someone cheats (with zero tolerance rules) means that if a player is caught he is immediately banned.

The second example of WG's twisted math is that they claim you will get 15% credit bonus for fighting in a platoon. WRONG. They only give 10% credit bonus. It seems that WG will almost go to any level to squeeze money out of the players. Change the equipment on lower tier tanks ....... and charge money for any "new" type of equipment that is available. When they ignore players that raise objections to the game changes they ignored them or try to smooth it over by handing out a pile of low tier tanks under the title "Tenth Anniversary" rewards. Most of them are garbage and (of course) you have to spend money on them to put equipment and consumables (if not crew training as well). They raise the cost of premium ammo, create new premium tanks (even if they don't have tracks), create a new line of double barreled tanks (which never existed), and lie about the platoon bonus. 

New players beware ..... WG will use any tactic to sell you premium tanks, premium time, and premium currency (gold) and they will stoop to any level to bleed you of as much money as they can. Like I've said numerous times ..... "Welcome to War Gaming ..... and leave your wallet at the door." Player Support will tell you that they don't force anyone to buy anything, but they continue to ram that crap called "Combat Intelligence" down your throat at every opportunity to sell something and with what seems like almost at the end of every battle. No, they don't force you ..... but they do everything to make the game difficult enough that without spending money on something (be it premium time, tanks, or gold) you won't progress very far up the tech trees ... or in battles.

(I won't be the surprised if this post gets removed by WG ........ only because it's the damned truth and they won't like it.)

 

WG has proven on numerous occasions that "caveat emptor"  (let the buyer beware) applies here more than ever. They (WG) are out for themselves and don't care what the players may think or want. They have proven that time and time again over the years.

 

Good luck (new) tankers ....... you're going to need it (as well as a deep wallet).

 

PapaBear_3110

 

 

Here are some details about the math you question.

"If you have a couple of friends you want to play with, Platoons are exactly what you’re looking for. Aside from the fun of playing in a team, all platoon members earn 10% more XP and credits - or 15% for the members who own a World of Tanks Premium Account -  per battle. A platoon consists of either two or three players and can be created by any player. Platoons are available for Standard Battles, Encounters, Assault, Grand Battles, and the Frontline mode."

Source.

 

WG hits them with more than a warning for cheating. Unless you have been hit for cheating you probably won't know 100%. Fairplay bans are a thing, and the number is real. 

 

Equipment:
"All Tier I–III equipment will be demounted for free and automatically moved to the Depot. The only exception is Enhanced Suspension for Tier II–III tanks. "

Most equipment that was removed was replaced with a better version for players to equip. Improved Hardening, Turbo, and Grousers are a few examples. 
You didn't have to unequip and re-equip some equipment since all you had to do was drag or right-click and select the proper slot if you wanted the extra boost.
Source.

 

Many player objections are the same as Community objections. Most objections are handled by WG with Data. It takes a lot more than some negative feedback on one or two forum threads. In addition, to almost every complaint the dev team is working on it. You may see these as Ignored, but it's difficult to give updates on the implementation of 100 different ideas that are found to be bad ideas for the game/ not able to implement. One thing you can be certain of is that WG is never done changing the game. 

 

There were 7 low tier Premium tanks that all players were given, with the chance to unlock the 8th one. The last two are the free premium tanks both new, and any repeat tanks were compensated with credits and anniversary tokens to help unlock the 8th. 

Source.

 

Double Barrelled tanks are in history as being developed/ tested but never created. What a fun age we live in where a video game can put these "what if" tanks up against the ones that really existed, as well as having nations that never fought against each other see how each nation's tanks stack up. Please remember that this is a game inspired by history and is an arcade shooter, not a simulation. 
Source.
 

I couldn't find any specific data that shows WG increased the prices of all ammo/ premium ammo. I do know that some tanks' ability to earn credits have been changed over the years. In addition, The credit value for all ammo types goes up considerably depending on what tier you play. Tier 10 is not meant/ nor was it ever meant to be profitable. This is done to keep players filtering down into lower more "profitable" tiers so everyone isn't staying in tier 10. Yes, some of it is money-driven since players download a AAA title game for free, with no additional ads or 100% guaranteed wins that can only be purchased with money. This is also why premium time is something for players to buy to help with playing the game. Free to play games always have in-game buying options to allow players to dedicate as little or as much as they want.  You don't wanna spend 60 on a tank, well here are some offers for players to purchase any amount of premium time to help out with playing the game and unlocking tanks. 

Not to mention all the free events that give out boosters, consumables, equipment, and sometimes even tanks. The skill level for events varies from easy dailies to our Marathons. If you don't play a lot of tanks then you can grind for a day to get a discount on the premium tank. Then there are the contests and events from the community team that gives away codes and more free stuff for the players that would like to follow and engage with us. 

 

Many issues with "Buyer Beware" are compensated, taken care of, or put in bold for players to see before they commit. I have seen the support tickets and done some fixing myself. Not everything is possible, but support does it's best. 

Nope, Moderators don't take down Feedback posts from players as long as they aren't filled with death threats, hate speech or has too many expletives. 

Hopefully, the above is taken as me trying to assist and clarify. Not trying to upset anyone, and if you have any additional information I am not aware of feel free to share it. I did the best I could with what I know and google, but I haven't been on here as long as others. 



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KRZYBooP,

 

  You stated "Aside from the fun of playing in a team, all platoon members earn 10% more XP and credits - or 15% for the members who own a World of Tanks Premium Account -  per battle". I have a premium account and I also conferred with a number of clan members who also have premium accounts and state the same as I do (we're only getting 10%).  (ALL members in that platoon have premium accounts)

I would love to know how WG can explain that?

 



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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 16 2020 - 15:28, said:

KRZYBooP,

 

  You stated "Aside from the fun of playing in a team, all platoon members earn 10% more XP and credits - or 15% for the members who own a World of Tanks Premium Account -  per battle". I have a premium account and I also conferred with a number of clan members who also have premium accounts and state the same as I do (we're only getting 10%).  (ALL members in that platoon have premium accounts)

I would love to know how WG can explain that?

 

I think I would stack that one up to RNG math lol......


Edited by SlappedbyRommel, Sep 16 2020 - 15:49.


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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 15 2020 - 11:47, said:

I'm sorry but I don't believe that the cheaters don't know that they are cheating - they damn well know because in most cases they have to pay for that cheat.

 

I believer that you are completely wrong here. 

 

  • There are plenty of web sites, some of them in foreign languages, that have WoT mods which are considered "Illegal" or "cheating" that you never have to pay for.  They are 100% completely free.
  • Through several search engines, if you look for world of tanks mods, you get linked to pages with "illegal" mods.
  • Its been shown in the past that only a very small percentage of World of Tanks players actually go to the World of Tanks forums to even know what is going on with the game.
  • Its been shown in the past that only a very small percentage of World of Tanks players actually go to the World of Tanks Web page to even know what is going on with the game.
  • Its completely possible that the only time a player ever went to the WOT web site was to download the game.
  • Its completely possible that a player never went to the WoT web site and installed WoT through the Wargaming Game Center after playing a different Wargaming game.
  • Its completely possible that a player is playing WoT in a region where their native language isn't int he game client or the WoT web page for that region.

 

Because of the reasons mentioned above, its likely that some players are using "Illegal" mods without even knowing they are "Illegal" mods.

 

I've platooned with players in the past who have been to the WoT web page only a handful of times in the entire time they played the game.  I've platooned with players who have never been to the WoT forums for their region.  I've been in clans with players who never look at the WoT web page because they figure they get what info they need through the game client.

 

I really doubt that most "cheaters" pay for their "Illegal" mods.



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View PostPapaBear_3110, on Sep 16 2020 - 08:28, said:

KRZYBooP,

 

  You stated "Aside from the fun of playing in a team, all platoon members earn 10% more XP and credits - or 15% for the members who own a World of Tanks Premium Account -  per battle". I have a premium account and I also conferred with a number of clan members who also have premium accounts and state the same as I do (we're only getting 10%).  (ALL members in that platoon have premium accounts)

I would love to know how WG can explain that?

 

 

 

Have you sent a ticket in to support with screenshots? Things that change in WG can affect other things. Platooning information I have is from before 1.0 or the new Premium was released that World of Tanks sells. It could be that the old premium that was shared across all products is needed for it to be 15% and someone just missed it. 



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View PostKRZYBooP, on Sep 16 2020 - 19:32, said:

 

 

Have you sent a ticket in to support with screenshots? Things that change in WG can affect other things. Platooning information I have is from before 1.0 or the new Premium was released that World of Tanks sells. It could be that the old premium that was shared across all products is needed for it to be 15% and someone just missed it. 

When WGNA doesn't even understand how their product works.... and comes up with an [edited]response like this. And wonders why WoT keeps slowly dying in the America



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View PostKRZYBooP, on Sep 16 2020 - 20:32, said:

 

 

Have you sent a ticket in to support with screenshots? 

No ..... not yet (but I will). I haven't submitted it yet because most of the time WG claims 1) - it's the mod I'm using ... or 2) the problem is at my end .... or 3) it's my browser. I've heard so many excuses from WG that I stopped putting in "tickets" - and usually a "form" letter is all you get back telling you the problem(s) are at your (my) end. 



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So lets see...

OP creates "Math" thread.

Only 1 issue is math related

The rest is whine and tinfoil

No screenshots to support the math

Hasn't submitted a ticket

Gets a response from CC and blows it off

 

These are the kind of quality threads that make these forums so valuable.  (SMH)

 

PS Love the Billy Madison insertion.



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View PostDr_Jerkov, on Sep 16 2020 - 21:35, said:

When WGNA doesn't even understand how their product works.... and comes up with an [edited]response like this. And wonders why WoT keeps slowly dying in the America

 

What don't I understand? 

 

This could very well be a bug. Has it affected you? Either way, support needs to know about it. Players are supposed to get 15% unless stated somewhere else, tech support for WG verifies if this is indeed a bug or if there is information that needs to be updated. 



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View PostKRZYBooP, on Sep 17 2020 - 19:23, said:

 

What don't I understand?


 

You don't really want people to answer this question, do you?






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