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ProfessionalFinn #1 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 22:29

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In the real world: A US Army’s howitzer shot down cruise missile.  But in the pea-brained minds of many WoT arty haters, playing a fake make-believe game of fantasy....it is inconceivable that fake-arty is able to hit a pixel armored vehicle.  

 

 



ThePigSheFlies #2 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 22:36

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View PostProfessionalFinn, on Sep 16 2020 - 16:29, said:

In the real world: A US Army’s howitzer shot down cruise missile.  But in the pea-brained minds of many WoT arty haters, playing a fake make-believe game of fantasy....it is inconceivable that fake-arty is able to hit a pixel armored vehicle.  

 

 

 

did they also use some force field where their shells were subjected to a 20x gravitational pull in order to fit on the map they were playing?



PTwr #3 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 22:39

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I think its easier to hit anything when computers do the aiming based on spysat/drone view :]

Cowcat137 #4 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 22:41

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Bad news for a certain Asian power that is always threatening missile barrages as the opening move in a war.

Cerbium #5 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 22:58

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Real life vs a game, that's where arty in the game differs from this video, not sure what you were trying to get at by adding in the bit about "arty haters", really makes no sense.  

ProfessionalFinn #6 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 23:02

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View PostCerbium, on Sep 16 2020 - 13:58, said:

Real life vs a game, that's where arty in the game differs from this video, not sure what you were trying to get at by adding in the bit about "arty haters", really makes no sense.  

Arty haters often crawl to this laughable argument:  In the real world - arty cannot hit a moving target.  Ergo SPGs have no place in a fantasy fake game of make-believe. 

 

Savvy? 
 



Cerbium #7 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 23:08

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View PostProfessionalFinn, on Sep 16 2020 - 14:02, said:

Arty haters often crawl to this laughable argument:  In the real world - arty cannot hit a moving target.  Ergo SPGs have no place in a fantasy fake game of make-believe. 

 

Savvy? 
 

So there are M109 howitzers in WoT? If there were then your statement would make sense but the arty in the game are WW2 era vehicles that had no guided shells. 



ProfessionalFinn #8 Posted Sep 16 2020 - 23:30

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View PostCerbium, on Sep 16 2020 - 14:08, said:

So there are M109 howitzers in WoT? If there were then your statement would make sense but the arty in the game are WW2 era vehicles that had no guided shells. 

No silly.  You miss the obvious.  The staid wrong argument persists in this forum that arty was not effective against armor in WW2.  Yet arty haters fall back on the false reality and the false narrative that: Arty was not effective against armor in WW2. Truth is: Arty was the #2 killer.   

 

Savvy?  WoT is a fake fantasy game. 

 

"The largest identifiable cause of tank loss found in the data was, predictably, high-velocity armor piercing (AP) antitank rounds. AP rounds were found to be the cause of 68.7 percent of all losses. Artillery was second, responsible for 12.8 percent of all losses. Air attack as a cause was third, accounting for 7.4 percent of the total lost. Unknown causes, which included losses due to hits from multiple weapon types as well as unidentified weapons, inflicted 6.3% of the losses and ranked fourth. Other causes, which included infantry antitank weapons and mines, were responsible for 4.8% of the losses and ranked fifth."

 

http://www.dupuyinstitute.org/blog/2018/10/15/artillery-effectiveness-vs-armor-part-1/

 



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View PostProfessionalFinn, on Sep 16 2020 - 17:30, said:

No silly.  You miss the obvious.  The staid wrong argument persists in this forum that arty was not effective against armor in WW2.  

 

 

that is literally a 2013 argument you are trying to refute.  most of the arguments against arty have been about how it's bad for game play and basically impossible to balance in the same fashion that wargaming balances other classes (chiefly tank-curves)

 

for those that still attempt to debate "realism" - hilariously while the anti-wheelie zealots love to squeeee and reeee about wheelie physics being unrealistic, not a single arty proponent will acknowledge the literally impossible physics involved in making an artillery round launch at 1200 m/s at an incline of say 70º inclination and still land inside a 1km x 1km map without gravity being modeled at some 20x or more reality, yet at the same time somehow not affecting in some cases identical shell caliber and velocity on guns that are not SPGs...



ProfessionalFinn #10 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 00:07

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View PostThePigSheFlies, on Sep 16 2020 - 14:52, said:

 

that is literally a 2013 argument you are trying to refute.  most of the arguments against arty have been about how it's bad for game play and basically impossible to balance in the same fashion that wargaming balances other classes (chiefly tank-curves)

 

for those that still attempt to debate "realism" - hilariously while the anti-wheelie zealots love to squeeee and reeee about wheelie physics being unrealistic, not a single arty proponent will acknowledge the literally impossible physics involved in making an artillery round launch at 1200 m/s at an incline of say 70º inclination and still land inside a 1km x 1km map without gravity being modeled at some 20x or more reality, yet at the same time somehow not affecting in some cases identical shell caliber and velocity on guns that are not SPGs...

WoT is a fake fantasy game of entertainment.  For this I am glad.  I play for fun not simulated reality.  Yet many in the WoT anti-arty crowd whine about arty not being "real".  The irony!  

Savvy?



Tao_Te_Hobbit #11 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 00:08

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View PostCowcat137, on Sep 16 2020 - 14:41, said:

Bad news for a certain Asian power that is always threatening missile barrages as the opening move in a war.

 

Dunno - was it a hypersonic missile flying NOE with a jinking program built in?

 

THEN I would be impressed.

 

Otherwise, as someone who's worked a wire-guided missile (TOW) target range, Mongo not impressed.



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View PostProfessionalFinn, on Sep 16 2020 - 18:07, said:

WoT is a fake fantasy game of entertainment.  For this I am glad.  I play for fun not simulated reality.  Yet many in the WoT anti-arty crowd whine about arty not being "real".  The irony!  

Savvy?

 

if you don't care about simulated reality, then why are you baiting / trolling the forums with a counter argument for (or against it?)



ProfessionalFinn #13 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 00:12

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View PostThePigSheFlies, on Sep 16 2020 - 15:10, said:

 

if you don't care about simulated reality, then why are you baiting / trolling the forums with a counter argument for (or against it?)

Simple... to point out hypocrisy. 

 

Savvy?



13Jake55 #14 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 00:33

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Just let me be able to shoot those blimps!

Tao_Te_Hobbit #15 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 00:43

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View Post13Jake55, on Sep 16 2020 - 16:33, said:

Just let me be able to shoot those blimps!

 

"Dirigibles," said the pedant.  :teethhappy:



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skytale #17 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 00:56

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An interesting video that has no bearing for or against any aspect of this game.

NiteDog #18 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 00:57

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This thread ranks for the top thread of 2020. Very entertaining guys.

 



Tao_Te_Hobbit #19 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 01:04

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View Postskytale, on Sep 16 2020 - 16:56, said:

An interesting video that has no bearing for or against any aspect of this game.

 

Nor does your comment.  Show me your Forum Police Badge or you're just part of the "problem."  :sceptic:



GeorgePreddy #20 Posted Sep 17 2020 - 01:13

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