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Diamondspear_1971 #1 Posted Dec 29 2020 - 15:51

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So I do fine at tier V. I feel like I’m useful in those games. Like I contribute. I very rarely have games where I just feel like a clueless n00b. 
 

Then I hop into one of my tier VI tanks (not including my M44) and suddenly I can’t play. I’m constantly getting killed without doing much to help my team. If I’m in a heavy I go where heavies are supposed to go and I die. Same thing in my mediums. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. Any advice?  Thanks. 


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View PostDiamondspear_1971, on Dec 29 2020 - 15:51, said:

So I do fine at tier V. I feel like I’m useful in those games. Like I contribute. I very rarely have games where I just feel like a clueless n00b. 
 

Then I hop into one of my tier VI tanks (not including my M44) and suddenly I can’t play. I’m constantly getting killed without doing much to help my team. If I’m in a heavy I go where heavies are supposed to go and I die. Same thing in my mediums. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. Any advice?  Thanks. 

 

It takes time.  I mean...TIME.  It might take you thousands of battles to figure it out but you can do it.

 

For me, I feel like I contribute very solidly up to tier 6 but at tier 7+ I fall off a cliff.  However, it used to be tier 4....then tier 5....then tier 6...   You get the idea ;)



NiteDog #3 Posted Dec 29 2020 - 15:56

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OP, do you have any replays that we can view?

Kharah #4 Posted Dec 29 2020 - 16:08

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Watch actual good players stream the game (someone I can personally recommend is Waikin_ on Twitch) and learn from what they do and how they play. They might be shooting at different tanks, but the tactics you need to apply are the same across tiers.

banziduck #5 Posted Dec 29 2020 - 16:16

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At tier 5 your not seeing tier 8 which you are at tier 6 so running into better and better players.  Keep working at it do watch other good players and if you have some videos send them along would be happy to take a look at them for you.  It is a marathon not a sprint.

 

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Joe_WireShark #6 Posted Dec 29 2020 - 16:45

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tier 6 is like eating bacon to a tier 8 

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View PostKharah_reppinNLD, on Dec 29 2020 - 15:08, said:

Watch actual good players stream the game (someone I can personally recommend is Waikin_ on Twitch) and learn from what they do and how they play. They might be shooting at different tanks, but the tactics you need to apply are the same across tiers.

skill4LTU is good for this as well because he often commentates on what he's thinking or doing. He also plays every class and tier of tank while some streamers tend to be a bit more specialist. Plus, even if you don't have the time to watch him stream he uploads live gameplay every day so you can pick and choose from that.



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View PostJoe_WireShark, on Dec 29 2020 - 10:45, said:

tier 6 is like eating bacon to a tier 8 


This the tank gap in measure of a tank's ability, crew, and player skills is huge between a 6 and 8. AN 8 is designed to compete/ survive against a tier 10. It comes down to realizing your limitations as a 6 even in a heavy. I do not suggest slugging it out when you are tiered down that way. You should support other heavies but not try to be the sponge.



cloudwalking #9 Posted Dec 29 2020 - 19:43

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Hey OP, first step to getting past being plateaued is realizing you could use a hand.  That's a tough step for a lot, so well done.

 

As others have said, I'd recommend waikin and skill as well, they both have helped me up my game.  Also, go back and watch some of those tier 6 replays and see if there were any surprises that caught you off guard and evaluate how to not let that happen again.  Post replays here and you will find genuine help 100%.

 

 



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View PostDiamondspear_1971, on Dec 29 2020 - 08:51, said:

So I do fine at tier V. I feel like I’m useful in those games. Like I contribute. I very rarely have games where I just feel like a clueless n00b. 
 

Then I hop into one of my tier VI tanks (not including my M44) and suddenly I can’t play. I’m constantly getting killed without doing much to help my team. If I’m in a heavy I go where heavies are supposed to go and I die. Same thing in my mediums. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. Any advice?  Thanks. 

 

Without reading any other responses, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you are NOT playing your tier VI tank(s) as you are the other tier tanks you have.  When you are bottom tier in a tier IV or V unit, do you play differently than when you are top tier in that unit?

 

You have to learn to do the same at tier VI.  If you are top tier, you're going to know most of the tanks going against you in the lower tiers, but how much do you know the tanks at your tier (VI) and above?  In tier VI, you're going to see tier VIIIs.  They're way different in terms of lethality to you at tier VI than tier VII units are to most tier Vs.  It becomes a matter of scale.

 

At tier VI, you're HP pool is not as good at the tiers above you, so you have to sort of restart your basics training at each tier change, though some tiers are more important than others.  Tiers I-III are mostly pew-pew-pew, keystone cops speeds, mixed with some folks not knowing that the WASD keys should be being used regularly as opposed to just occasionally.  Then tiers IV-VI are a bit more slowed down and the units seem to mostly be able to take more than one or two hits in most cases.  Tactics slow down a touch and the brawling aspects as well as some of the peek-a-boom combined with spotting/vision knowledge change how the game is played out across the fields.  Then at tiers VII - X the game slows down again in its overall pace and increases in its overall lethality.

 

In short, at bottom tier, you are going to pay dearly for any mistake you make.

 

Here's what I think occurs (and it happens to a lot of people, myself included)...

 

You are comfy in that tier.  You feel as if you 'have it' for where you are.  Then, you get into that new tier above and it FEELS more powerful in every respect to what you're used to, so you take more risks that you wouldn't normally take.  You don't really know the tank, but it's more HP, bigger gun, better armor, etc, all make it seem so superior to what you've been using that it feels like you can do that and get away with it.


Except you can't get away with it.  The experience level of the player base at those tiers is generally a LOT higher and there is a much more competitive atmosphere, both of which place you at an automatic disadvantage and any mistake you make is pounced upon instantly.

 

This means that you have to consider yourself to once again be 'in training' and figuring out the basic functions necessary to allow you to not only survive, but thrive at this new level of play.  At tier VI, I play like I'm a complete noob and don't know much of anything.  Of course, I do get the mechanics for the most part, but now, at those tiers the uptier units outspot, outhide, outshoot and outscoot me and so I have to play more smarterer (<-- on purpose) than you do at the tier you're used to playing.  And you probably really have to go and 'get basic' about how to play.

 

When I am uncertain about things, that's where I go -- to the basics.  Spotting and Vision, Mini-Map Awareness, Team Compositions, My Three Circles (View Range, Max Spotting Distance and Draw Range), Angling, Positioning, Timing -- all these things are part and parcel of how you know what you know to play and knowing those things will take you a very long way to the road to improved and consistent play at any tier.

 

Survive

Do Damage

Help Your Team

 

is the mantra by which I play.

 

Underneath those three simple phrases lies the knowledge of game mechanics to help me do those three things on purpose and as an action, not a reaction on the field.

 

 

Spend a little time getting to know your opponents.  I hate this part, because I hate studying all the tanks, I really do.  So I spend five to ten minutes 'skimming' through the Japanese HVY line, checking armor, guns, speed, etc. so I have a better idea of what to expect when I meet  them if I cannot avoid them.  Then, at some other time, I'll cruise the RU MED line and do the same thing.  I won't spend more than fifteen minutes on purpose, though sometimes I do get 'sucked in' and end up flipping through a couple lines and classes before I realize I haven't played in a while.

 

Most of it is training on the fly, though and you have to accept that as a sort of given as you rise up through the tiers.  No matter how much you know or how good you have been, you're up against a new steeple chase course with all new riders and obstacles at a new level of ability.  So you have to play catch up and you have to do it like a newb again.

 

A newb armed with prior knowledge and experience that should mitigate most of the trouble of being the FNG again.  Even so, I'll be playing tanks stock and researching them up as I go through tiers and it is BRUUU TAL, make no mistake.  

 

I have other technical issues that prevent me from playing too much above tier VI, though I have played enough tier VI units to know my fair share of VII and VIII tanks' general characteristics.  Even so, I cannot go out and strike terror into the heart of my enemies most times, because I am bottom tier and, with as much time as I do have in some tier VI units, I don't have near the experience many of my opponents do.

 

So I play with those things in mind and take a more circumspect initial approach and do my best to observe my opponents' behaviors.  You can tell right away when someone knows their stuff.  It's a bit harder to tell the clueless, because it may take several seconds for it to become apparent when they don't move when they should or when they move clearly when they shouldn't.

 

Key things:

Back to Basic Playing

Play Like You're a Trainee (because you are)

Be Observant

Remember Your Tank is New (unfamiliar) and while it 

Has More Everything Than Before (it is still going to be bottom tier mostly useless if you're not careful)

 

 

Hope you find any of that useful or helpful at all.  I know it's not what anyone might call specific or 'generally given' advice, so I hope a pearl or two might exist within it for you or anyone else in your condition.

 

 

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Diamondspear_1971 #11 Posted Dec 30 2020 - 05:59

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Thanks to all the responses so far! I’ve decided to concentrate on what I’m doing right at tier V and not get frustrated that I don’t seem to be ready for that next step up. 




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