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SA Bot Battles Grossly Skewing NA Ace Mastery Calculations for Tiers I - V


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Is it Fair or Unfair to Include SA Bot Battles in NA Ace Mastery Calculations?

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DoomSquatch #1 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 13:17

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Below is the text of a ticket I just submitted to WG.  If you also feel that this WG practice is inappropriate, you might add your voice to the issue.

 

"I recently learned on the forum that WG has instituted bots on the SA Server due to low population usage and that battles fought against bots are being factored into Ace mastery calculations on both the SA and NA servers for tanks of Tier V and below.

We went through this once before when Proving Ground battles against bots were being factored into Ace Mastery calculations. WG realized that this was unfair and changed it.

Now, however, it appears that WG has repeated the mistake on a much larger scale. I encourage you to correct the issue since battles against bots grossly skew Ace Mastery calculations."



NateRocko #2 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 13:44

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I support this.

ElijahDoLittle #3 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 13:47

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I don't know, on the SA server with bots the teams are 8 vs 8 I believe. It's very difficult to get masteries with that few opponents? I could be wrong.

There is a greater potential on the NA server.



DoomSquatch #4 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 13:53

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It's a lot easier to kill 8 bots doing the lion's share of the damage against each bot than it is to kill 8 actual players in an NA battle.  If you killed 8 players doing the lion's share of the damage against each in an NA battle, you would have a very good chance of Acing your tank.

 

 



Spammy #5 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 14:08

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All stats... ALL stats for the SA sever should be kept separate. 

Brynar #6 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 14:22

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Who cares? If tank mastery is important to you, play tier 6+ and no more WG sanctioned bots. You'll still have to deal with the EULA violating bots that WG ignore to remove, but that's another story.

Projectile_Misfired #7 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 14:26

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I have a question about those SA bots. Are their battle results factored into the Ace Mastery calculations?

If so, I would think that this would actually raise the Ace requirements as those bots tend to play better than a majority of players I've seen at those lower tiers.



Insanefriend #8 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 15:01

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The low tier matches on SA are only 7v7 I think, six bots and one player per team.  I don't think the bots effect the low tier ace tanker requirements all that much.  I just think that some low tier tanks have pretty dang high requirements to hit the ace tanker mark.  Since the crazy carry games are more common at lower tiers.  Which tanks are giving you trouble acing?  

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Keep in mind that many tier IV and V battles have several humans on each team.  Even at Tier III you can run into a team with several humans on each side.  While there may be several bots on the enemy team, the battles seem to primarily involve humans seeking out and defeating humans, with the bots being a side distraction.

Myteetharesharp #10 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 15:27

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What's an "SA Server?" hahaha....

PTwr #11 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 15:28

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View PostElijahDoLittle, on Jan 13 2021 - 12:47, said:

I don't know, on the SA server with bots the teams are 8 vs 8 I believe. It's very difficult to get masteries with that few opponents? I could be wrong.

There is a greater potential on the NA server.

You can do 3k in tier 4 7v7 botbattle (1v1 humans).

In tier 5 you can rack 4k or 5k in 10v10 (3v3 humans). Eg: http://wotreplays.eu...e/5512130#teams

If you'll play just after restart you are mostly playing against Brazilians who play worse than bots.

 

Bots are so bad at driving that you can't even see how good they are at shooting because they can't find each other in first place, so they won't be dealing much dmg (unless you camp, that is). 

All you have to worry are fleshbags, if you get some half competent on your team your dmg share will drop.

 

In meantime in normal 15v15 you will only get to kill a half or so, while rest dies on other side of map. And more fleshbags on your team means less dmg for you.



Kharah_reppinNLD #12 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 15:30

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people that play on SA tend to be looked down upon by the rest anyways so it's not really an issue.

heavymetal1967 #13 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 15:44

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OP has a point.  Plus they already exclude certain other stats from other game modes.

 

And PvE is a different game mode.



roneth #14 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 16:10

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Question about BOTS on the SA server at lower tiers....

 

Do they have a variety of tanks?  For the Expert medals, i am missing several Tier 1 -3 tanks... i am wondering if these Bot battles might help with that :)



DoomSquatch #15 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 16:29

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Here is WG's response to my ticket.  They didn't tell me to pound sand.  They say that they may fix it, but can't say when.  Keep in mind that this is similar to the Proving Grounds issue with bots a year or two back.  QuickBaby aired a video about that with the question "Did WG break Tier I?"  They fixed it in the next update. 

 

"Hello.

Thank you for contacting us.

Thank you for your feedback and suggestions. I want to tell you that it is not excluded that such the possibility will be added.
However, I cannot precisely tell you when it will occur.

Have a nice day."



Hijak #16 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 16:31

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View PostBrynar, on Jan 13 2021 - 06:22, said:

Who cares? 

 

Exactly.  It is tier 1-5.



DoomSquatch #17 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 16:38

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View PostProjectile_Misfired, on Jan 13 2021 - 13:26, said:

I have a question about those SA bots. Are their battle results factored into the Ace Mastery calculations?

If so, I would think that this would actually raise the Ace requirements as those bots tend to play better than a majority of players I've seen at those lower tiers.

 

Yes, they are factored in.

 

The bots can generally shoot well according to those who have played against them on the SA server, but they're blind as bats and maneuver little.  All and all, they're sitting ducks for someone using good optics and keeping their distance.  So it is possible to rack up sizable damage with little risk playing against them.

 

This means that bot battles racking up over 3000 damage against Tier V tanks aren't just possible, but routine on the SA server.  My best battle in the DS PZInz is 1569 experience, 2564 damage, and five kills.  My gun mark % is over 90%.  Still first Class mastery at 156 battles.


Edited by DoomSquatch, Jan 13 2021 - 16:46.


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View PostInsanefriend, on Jan 13 2021 - 14:01, said:

The low tier matches on SA are only 7v7 I think, six bots and one player per team.  I don't think the bots effect the low tier ace tanker requirements all that much.  I just think that some low tier tanks have pretty dang high requirements to hit the ace tanker mark.  Since the crazy carry games are more common at lower tiers.  Which tanks are giving you trouble acing?  

 

Read above.  It's more of an issue than you think.

 

There are only five tanks of Tier I - V that I haven't Aced.  Four are rare premiums that I haven't had the opportunity to acquire.  The one I do have and am playing now is the DS PZInz.  After I Ace it, I will take care of the 11 Tier 6 tanks I haven't Aced yet.  I have all of the Tier VIs.  I recently Aced the Pz Sfl 1C (204 battles) and the T6 Medium (598 battles).  Both took several weeks of effort.



AndrewSledge #19 Posted Jan 13 2021 - 17:06

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Did they actually change the Proving Ground battles affecting tier 1 battles? I hadn't heard of that change before.

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View Postroneth, on Jan 13 2021 - 15:10, said:

Question about BOTS on the SA server at lower tiers....

 

Do they have a variety of tanks?  For the Expert medals, i am missing several Tier 1 -3 tanks... i am wondering if these Bot battles might help with that :)

No. List is limited, but you'll find most of pre-bot tonks. 

Eg. you wont see bot BT-2.

For that particular piece of junk I had to abuse MM. Namely, if you play a tonk on NA then MM will try to match it 1:1 which gives you increased chance of meeting a brethren.

I tried two weeks to kill BT-2, it took me two or three battles in it to score a kill.

You could also ask peps to play it on SA, you'll be guaranteed to meet in 5 battles top. 






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