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Why did they "buff" the Tiger's gun?


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NeatoMan #1 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 04:31

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They ruined the Tiger.  There was nothing wrong with the gun. 

 

Can't have a decent german tank in the game, I guess.



Korvick #2 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 04:57

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View PostNeatoMan, on Apr 08 2021 - 03:31, said:

They ruined the Tiger.  There was nothing wrong with the gun. 

 

Can't have a decent german tank in the game, I guess.

 

When?  I can't see anything has changed.  Nothing in the most recent patch notes anyways.  Unless I'm missing something.  Was it just recent?  Got a link?  One of my fave tanks, would be sucky if it got gimped.



NeatoMan #3 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 05:00

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they reduced the RoF and raised the alpha a few patches ago.  Didn't get to play it much until now.

Kefic #4 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 05:03

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View PostNeatoMan, on Apr 07 2021 - 20:00, said:

they reduced the RoF and raised the alpha a few patches ago.  Didn't get to play it much until now.

I fought against one the other night and laughed at how bad it was with the lower dpm.  I remember these things chewing through tanks and using their high HP to essentially soak armor and deal it out rapidly.

 

I say "lower dpm" it might have actually raised with the higher alpha-but the rof was sooo much slower than it used to be.  Those things used to park you in place and leave you in the open with their rof.


Edited by Kefic, Apr 08 2021 - 05:04.


Avalon304 #5 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 05:08

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Yea the lower rate of fire is disappointing on the Tiger... it was way better with the lower alpha but way higher rate of fire, even if it technically has more DPM now.

_Panzerkunst_ #6 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 05:18

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The gun itself got buffed, the 88cm L/71, just happens to be the Top Gun on the Tiger. Trust me, it's not ruined. I just played it today by chance, reload only went up .6 sec. Still the same except you can get some 300dmg rolls now.

NeatoMan #7 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 05:27

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View Post_Panzerkunst_, on Apr 07 2021 - 23:18, said:

The gun itself got buffed, the 88cm L/71, just happens to be the Top Gun on the Tiger. Trust me, it's not ruined. I just played it today by chance, reload only went up .6 sec. Still the same except you can get some 300dmg rolls now.

big deal, the RoF is what made it good.  0.6sec is not the same.  The gun is serviceable, but pretty generic now.   

 

beware of russian "buffs".



f16falcona46 #8 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 05:57

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I disagree--trading 2 for 1 with the Tiger is far more effective now with the higher damage per shot. The higher damage per shot also helps with shots of opportunity, and in general, higher alpha guns are easier for new players to use.

NeatoMan #9 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 06:00

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View Postf16falcona46, on Apr 07 2021 - 23:57, said:

I disagree--trading 2 for 1 with the Tiger is far more effective now with the higher damage per shot. The higher damage per shot also helps with shots of opportunity, and in general, higher alpha guns are easier for new players to use.

The RoF made it very good for people that know how to use it.  Now it's just another generic boxy german tank that new players are still going to fail in anyway. 

 

They better not "buff" the panther's gun too.



_PoliticallyIncorrect #10 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 06:02

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If you want a decent German heavy get the E50M. 

NeatoMan #11 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 06:06

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View Post_PoliticallyIncorrect, on Apr 08 2021 - 00:02, said:

If you want a decent German heavy get the E50M. 

I got it.  It's kinda meh for a tier 10.  I prefer the E50 at tier 9.



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View PostNeatoMan, on Apr 08 2021 - 03:31, said:

They ruined the Tiger.  There was nothing wrong with the gun. 

 

Can't have a decent german tank in the game, I guess.

 

Agreed, that 5.5 or so reload was amazing and the buff to the Alpha was just dumb.  That was the actual thing that made the tank interesting.  



Avalon304 #13 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 10:17

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View Postf16falcona46, on Apr 07 2021 - 21:57, said:

I disagree--trading 2 for 1 with the Tiger is far more effective now with the higher damage per shot. The higher damage per shot also helps with shots of opportunity, and in general, higher alpha guns are easier for new players to use.

 

Previously against other heavies you could 3 for 1 them, which was far more effective than 2 for 1ing them is now.

 

View Post_Panzerkunst_, on Apr 07 2021 - 21:18, said:

The gun itself got buffed, the 88cm L/71, just happens to be the Top Gun on the Tiger. Trust me, it's not ruined. I just played it today by chance, reload only went up .6 sec. Still the same except you can get some 300dmg rolls now.

 

The reload increased by 1.06 seconds, not .6 seconds (and even then, half a second would be significant for a tank that relied on raw rate of fire to be good). EDIT: And when kitted out fully its still nearly a second slower in firing (0.87 seconds slower)


Edited by Avalon304, Apr 08 2021 - 10:27.


_Tsavo_ #14 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 14:28

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The thing that set that box apart at tier 7 was it's ability to pew pew its way through problems with a very surprising rate of fire.  Yeah, the DPM and alpha went up, but the RoF - it's strength - dropped significantly

NeatoMan #15 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 14:35

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Apr 08 2021 - 08:28, said:

The thing that set that box apart at tier 7 was it's ability to pew pew its way through problems with a very surprising rate of fire.  Yeah, the DPM and alpha went up, but the RoF - it's strength - dropped significantly

it was great for fending off mediums and pesky LTs.



tod914 #16 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 14:46

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Was the Tiger (P) "buffed" as well?  Haven't played either in long time.

 



roneth #17 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 14:46

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View Post_PoliticallyIncorrect, on Apr 07 2021 - 23:02, said:

If you want a decent German heavy get the E50M. 

truth



_BobaFett #18 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 14:47

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View Posttod914, on Apr 08 2021 - 14:46, said:

Was the Tiger (P) "buffed" as well?  Haven't played either in long time.

 

 

Nope -- still crap.



daREAL_trainboi #19 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 15:26

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If you want to play a good Tiger, play World of Tanks Blitz. Over there they kept the gun the same, and instead buffed the armor so it's such a medium tank and heavy tank bully.



teamoldmill #20 Posted Apr 08 2021 - 16:15

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most of the German lines simply need to be moved down one tier and adjusted accordingly. Armor really should work on the kitty tanks, it did in real life.




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