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A simple buff idea to the SP1C and the HWK12

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Yan_le_tanker #1 Posted May 14 2021 - 18:24

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Hi there !
The SP1C and the HWK12 have been powercrep up to this day. We can barely meet them in randoms, since not a lot of people are playing them.

I do not prtend to know exactly how to balance them, but here's very simple idea :
 

Buff their super slow HE shells, but only on penetration and damage. (The logic would be that, since the velocity is so low, it allows a bigger, less protected explosive in the shell, more than the other HE shells with high velocity)

 

The SP1C, now has a 338 m/s, 45mm pen, 270 dmg shell.

At tier 7, the LTG has a 950 m/s, 44 mm pen, 300 dmg HE shell, with a 85mm gun, and the Setter and the Hotchkiss both have 75mm of pen, and high velicity HE shells with 75mm guns.

So the SP1C could have an HE shell more like : 338 m/s, 102mm pen, 320 dmg

Or 90mm pen, 300 dmg, if it's too much...

Or a combination, like 90 mm pen, 320 dmg, or a 102 mm pen with 300 dmg...

Any combination, even the best one at 102 mm pen 320 dmg, would still be a lot worse than the HE firepower of the LTG or the Hotchkiss. Simply because of the high reload time and slow shell speed.

 

The HWK12 now has a 338 m/s, 45mm pen, 320 dmg shell.

The M41 90mm has a 773 m/s, 102 mm pen, with 320 dmg HE shell. The Lynx has a 930 m/s, 90mm pen, 320 dmg HE shell.

So for the HWK12, the HE shell could become : 338 m/s, 120mm pen, 370 dmg shell

Or something weaker, like 102 mm pen, 320 dmg.

Or any combination : like 120 mm pen, 320 dmg, or 102 mm pen and 370 dmg.

 

The slow speed of the shell would balance it a lot, so we know for sure it cannot become over powerful.

Slow shell speed, like on the ''Derp Cromwell'' make this very hard to use.

And the premium versions would still be FAR better (HWK30 and M41 90), even if the HWK12 ends up with better pen and/or dmg, the shell speed of the premiums would still give them the edge (even the tech tree Lynx would still have a better HE shell, with its crazy 930 m/s speed).

 

It would be a simple, yet very funny buff. And players would start again to play these tanks, at least just to try these ''meme HE shells''.
(Also, the whole line would become ''powerful HE shell user'', from tier 7 to 10)



Brynar #2 Posted May 14 2021 - 18:30

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No! Give them autoloaders with Mach 2 projectiles!

Einzelganger7 #3 Posted May 14 2021 - 18:48

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In my opinion what the whole branch needs is shell velocity and/or a bit higher alpha depending on the tank, for example make the Spähpanzer C1 with 800 m/s shell velocity and same alpha, HWK 12 with 800m/s shell velocity and 280 alpha with standard/premium ammo (360 HE and 90mm of pen), RU 251 with 320 alpha while using standard/premium ammo (HE 420 alpha and 102mm pen), and finally Rheinmetall Panzerwagen with 360 alpha using standard/premium ammo (HE 460 alpha and 120mm pen). 

Butknuckle #4 Posted May 14 2021 - 18:50

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The original SP1C was one of those rare, stupid fun tanks to play. Sold mine right after the change. Move it back to tier 7 and return the 3 round autoloader and I'd buy it again immediately.

Projectile_Misfired #5 Posted May 14 2021 - 19:12

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The only buff high tier Lights really need right now is for WG to get rid of Wheelies. 

Yan_le_tanker #6 Posted May 14 2021 - 19:12

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View PostEinzelganger7, on May 14 2021 - 18:48, said:

In my opinion what the whole branch needs is shell velocity and/or a bit higher alpha depending on the tank, for example make the Spähpanzer C1 with 800 m/s shell velocity and same alpha, HWK 12 with 800m/s shell velocity and 280 alpha with standard/premium ammo (360 HE and 90mm of pen), RU 251 with 320 alpha while using standard/premium ammo (HE 420 alpha and 102mm pen), and finally Rheinmetall Panzerwagen with 360 alpha using standard/premium ammo (HE 460 alpha and 120mm pen). 

That would make the whole line much more standardized, and more playable.
So the shell speed would become normal again, even if the HE pen would be lower at tier 7.

At tier 8, it would be like the premiums.

Tier 9 would have an alpha dmg too high for its gun caliber, unless it woulb equiped with a new 105mm gun.
And tier 10 would be more hard hitting.
I agree, it would help a lot.
But I don't think they will do it for the tier 7, 8 and 9. It would be a bit too powerful imho. Especially the tier 8. Always remember that they want to sell these premiums, so if the tech tree has the same shell stats (speed, pen and dmg), they will sell less.

Hence my idea to keep the slow shell speed. In the end, the premiums will stay better. A simple change, a small buff, just to make them more interesting.
But yeah, making them balanced would be great !







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