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The_Chieftain #7761 Posted Oct 29 2017 - 21:00

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No particular need to visit Korea has popped up.  I haven't been in about twenty years. 

 

Cspan broadcast happened.  Should be up on the website shortly 



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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Oct 29 2017 - 15:00, said:

No particular need to visit Korea has popped up.  I haven't been in about twenty years. 

 

Cspan broadcast happened.  Should be up on the website shortly 

Saw it and it was fun and educational:popcorn:

Thank you Chieftain. Will C-span let you put it up on your youtube channel?

 

It's on the website now, and here it is again for the lazy:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?433629-2/design-history-m4-sherman-tank-world-war-ii



Iron_Soul_Stealer #7763 Posted Nov 01 2017 - 04:57

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Oct 29 2017 - 15:00, said:

No particular need to visit Korea has popped up.  I haven't been in about twenty years. 

 

Cspan broadcast happened.  Should be up on the website shortly 

^..What...?!!! "No need to visit South Korea"...? !!! :amazed:

*If anything, the need has never been stronger! {especially considering our precarious current global situation right now}. I think you should go. Twenty years was a long time ago, Chief. I think you're due for another visit.

 

 



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Greetings Gentlemen,

so this is an odd request and hoping to get some leads. A friend of mine has spent his lifetime collecting and re-building WWII British and Canadian armored vehicles and artillery units. He has just finished restoring a 17 pounder artillery gun and another acquaintance of our just purchased and is restoring a Sherman Firefly. So, they have been searching to no avail for 17 pounder rounds, if you know someone who knows someone who may have these, please message me. And thank you for your time,Happy Hunting!

 



Iron_Soul_Stealer #7765 Posted Nov 12 2017 - 06:04

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Oct 29 2017 - 15:00, said:

No particular need to visit Korea has popped up.  I haven't been in about twenty years. 

 

Cspan broadcast happened.  Should be up on the website shortly 

 

You still there, Chief...?

 

 

 



Daigensui #7766 Posted Nov 12 2017 - 07:24

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Hmmm...... 8,710 blocked with Jg.Pz. E 100.

 

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Not bad, although the team was pathetic.



The_Chieftain #7767 Posted Nov 13 2017 - 00:58

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I'm still here. Still have no particular need to go back to Korea.

 

There are nearly 200 countries in the world, I can't keep going back to the same ones. Far too much to see.



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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Nov 13 2017 - 00:58, said:

I'm still here. Still have no particular need to go back to Korea.

 

There are nearly 200 countries in the world, I can't keep going back to the same ones. Far too much to see.

 

Good Luck in all your travels where ever they maybe..  Nice work also Sir.

I also watched this video and it made me think different of the M4 fighting the tigers..   I've watched some documentaries and they all kind of down the American tanks during that time.. 

FrozenKemp #7769 Posted Nov 15 2017 - 16:48

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I have a question about Shermans and the 75mm vs 76mm gun.  I know that for D-Day the 76mm armed vehicles weren't considered a priority. 

 

My question is, given that at that point the US Army had already battled through Tunisia, Sicily, and was in Italy - so they had seen e.g. some Tigers, and I presume Panthers - were there not complaints from crews about the gun?  Did those simply not reach higher levels of command? 



The_Chieftain #7770 Posted Nov 16 2017 - 00:06

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First review is in. 

 

http://amps-armor.or...ew.aspx?ID=4119

 

Kemp, I'll get back to you in a bit, getting onto an airplane right now.



FrozenKemp #7771 Posted Nov 16 2017 - 02:24

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Appreciate it! Thanks.

I know the British were somewhat terrible at really responding to the "users"... well they had their own rearmament problems.

 

P.S. After reading the review of Can Openers, I'm sold!  But I will have to wait until after Christmas to indulge in its purchase. 
 

 


Edited by FrozenKemp, Nov 16 2017 - 02:35.


The_Chieftain #7772 Posted Nov 16 2017 - 04:12

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Ok. The question is a good one, and it actually is on my list of subjects to cover in a near-future Hatch article.

 

The upshot is that there is a difference between the bottom line as viewed by th folks at the higher end, and those who are actually doing the fighting. I have documents from Fifth Army to the US basically saying “keep the 75s, we want every 76mm tank you can send.” 

 

The fighting men wanted a point-and shoot weapon. I see enemy tank. I point gun at enemy tank. Enemy tank goes boom. And with good reason. Without that gun, they were forced to take alternate measures like flanking, suppressing, trick shots, or whatever else.

 

The folks in DC or London, though, are looking at a map of the world, and they realize that they got all the way from Casablanca to somewhere around Rome, quite a few kilometers, for the loss of a few dozen dead tankers. On the scale of WW2, not a loss rate worth mentioning. However the troops were doing it, they were doing it. It may not have been the simplest, preferred method from the perspective of the individual tank crew, but it was working very nicely from the perspective of folks tasked with commanding the fighting from A to B, most of whom probably didn’t realize that the ‘special techniques’ were necessary, so why rock the boat? Hence you have this sort of dissociation between the crews facing the tanks, and everyone else. Both sides have their points.



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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Nov 16 2017 - 04:12, said:

Ok. The question is a good one, and it actually is on my list of subjects to cover in a near-future Hatch article.

 

The upshot is that there is a difference between the bottom line as viewed by th folks at the higher end, and those who are actually doing the fighting. I have documents from Fifth Army to the US basically saying “keep the 75s, we want every 76mm tank you can send.” 

 

The fighting men wanted a point-and shoot weapon. I see enemy tank. I point gun at enemy tank. Enemy tank goes boom. And with good reason. Without that gun, they were forced to take alternate measures like flanking, suppressing, trick shots, or whatever else.

 

The folks in DC or London, though, are looking at a map of the world, and they realize that they got all the way from Casablanca to somewhere around Rome, quite a few kilometers, for the loss of a few dozen dead tankers. On the scale of WW2, not a loss rate worth mentioning. However the troops were doing it, they were doing it. It may not have been the simplest, preferred method from the perspective of the individual tank crew, but it was working very nicely from the perspective of folks tasked with commanding the fighting from A to B, most of whom probably didn’t realize that the ‘special techniques’ were necessary, so why rock the boat? Hence you have this sort of dissociation between the crews facing the tanks, and everyone else. Both sides have their points.

 

Nice point..    

I think, that is the biggest problem with any type of work force. Sometimes you are asked or have to really work harder at something cause the Company will not or can not give you the tools needed to perform the task in a easier manner.

 

I use to work in furniture factory and the company told me when they hired me I was going to be doing two mens job at first, but later they WOULD hire another to fill the other position. I guess I did my job too well. They never did hire that other guy.  

 

I take it the same way as with the war the soldiers wanted a better gun to make it easier but the guys in charge seen where, what they had was working so no need to change just ask them to keep working harder. 

 

I can only imagine the moral on the battlefield as they keep getting denied a better gun to make it easier, you are in war in a foreign country you just can't quit and go home and look for another job. You got to really thank those boys for changing the world even when out gunned. Out Gunned but not out willed.



FrozenKemp #7774 Posted Nov 17 2017 - 15:27

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Possibly of interest to folks here:  a June 1945 survey of tank and ammunition performance within 1st Canadian Army

 

http://ww2talk.com/i...ay-survey.1299/



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I have only just copped that the National WwIi Museum is live-streaming their conference free on their Facebook page. 

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Chieftain, I am curious to know the point in your life you began thinking you would one day be producing work which would be compared to Hunnicutt?  Having anything like that happen must be something fairly mind blowing. 

 

And you are correct when you say above that “Both sides have their points.”  They did and still do, but to me the side whose points should be given primary consideration should be those actually doing the bleeding and the dying or directly giving orders to those who do. Without that you get Fromelles, Chosen, and countless other totally avoidable wastes of life. If there is a better example of those at the top being clueless about reality on the ground than Almond at Chosin, I am not sure what it would be. 






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