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Poll: skill based mm (58 members have cast votes)

who wants skill BALANCED mm

  1. yes (19 votes [32.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.76%

  2. no (39 votes [67.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 67.24%

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GeorgePreddy_lIl #41 Posted Oct 12 2021 - 21:15

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As everyone can see... at this moment there are 35 against SBMM, and only 13 for... do you believe in democracy or not ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



cavalry11 #42 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 14:40

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What would it hurt for them to do it on a trial basis, then let us vote. WG would probably slant it the way they want it to turn out but it would be an interesting experiment.

GeorgePreddy_lIl #43 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 17:30

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The results of the vote are already in:

 

SBMM lost 36 to 14 against using SBMM for Random Battles.

 

Case closed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



extracheesey #44 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 18:05

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 14 2021 - 14:40, said:

What would it hurt for them to do it on a trial basis, then let us vote. WG would probably slant it the way they want it to turn out but it would be an interesting experiment.

Off the top of my head, the costs of developing an entirely new MM system would be not be justified for a one off experiment. There seems no reason to incur that cost so some sad sack can feel better about a win rate for a week. 



GeorgePreddy_lIl #45 Posted Oct 15 2021 - 02:55

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Wargaming's thoughts on the subject:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



cavalry11 #46 Posted Oct 15 2021 - 20:51

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Another words WG has no intention of fixing something a lot of people see as being messed up, typical WG attitude and its shills.

extracheesey #47 Posted Oct 15 2021 - 21:10

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 15 2021 - 20:51, said:

Another words WG has no intention of fixing something a lot of people see as being messed up, typical WG attitude and its shills.

"a lot" doesn't mean 10 or 12 forum dwellers out of a population of 121 191* players this week. And, the last time WG listened to the players about MM, we got templates. Yay!

 

*source https://wot-news.com/stat/server/us/norm/en/



Markd73 #48 Posted Oct 18 2021 - 02:56

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 04 2021 - 14:07, said:

I still do not understand why WG and a lot of players do not want a skill based MM. WG has its own rating system just use that.

 

Look at it from the better player perspective. They put in the time and effort to "get good" and now others are asking for them to carry more bads as a reward with SBMM. 

 

No thanks. If you want better battles then put in the effort and get better yourself.



GeorgePreddy_lIl #49 Posted Oct 18 2021 - 17:01

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 15 2021 - 20:51, said:

 Another    In other  words WG has no intention of fixing something a   lot of    few  people see as being messed up, typical WG attitude and its shills.

 

Fixed.

 

LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF THE POLL !!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



cavalry11 #50 Posted Oct 19 2021 - 03:38

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Nothing but chicken[edited] people who do not even understand the topic, it would not hurt good players or help bad players it would just be fairer. I do not know about the rest of you but i am tired of always having the worst team and  lot of times a lot worse.

Ehrlichmann #51 Posted Oct 19 2021 - 13:57

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It will never happen -

 

Bots, afk, double-reds, suiciders, bush-humpers, Apollo Mod cheaters, it will never happen.



Strig_997ms_brain #52 Posted Oct 20 2021 - 02:15

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 19 2021 - 03:38, said:

Nothing but chicken[edited] people who do not even understand the topic, it would not hurt good players or help bad players it would just be fairer. I do not know about the rest of you but i am tired of always having the worst team and  lot of times a lot worse.

cope



cavalry11 #53 Posted Oct 20 2021 - 14:19

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You cope i have been for years.

extracheesey #54 Posted Oct 20 2021 - 18:48

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 19 2021 - 03:38, said:

Nothing but chicken[edited] people who do not even understand the topic, it would not hurt good players or help bad players it would just be fairer. I do not know about the rest of you but i am tired of always having the worst team and  lot of times a lot worse.

I sympathize. Those bots on the SA server can be tough.  I think if you will stick with it, you'll eventually master tier 3. Good luck, have fun. 


Edited by extracheesey, Oct 20 2021 - 18:52.


Markd73 #55 Posted Oct 20 2021 - 18:49

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 19 2021 - 02:38, said:

Nothing but chicken[edited] people who do not even understand the topic, it would not hurt good players or help bad players it would just be fairer. I do not know about the rest of you but i am tired of always having the worst team and  lot of times a lot worse.

 

Nice Ad hominem.

 

We understand the topic, we just disagree with your conclusions. It would definitely punish better players as they would be forced to carry more bads as a "reward" for improving.

 

If you are always tired of having the worst team then focus on getting better yourself. If you are the only constant in all your battles then getting better would increase the skill level of ever team you are on. Asking for more free wins that you didn't earn sounds very unfair to me.



cavalry11 #56 Posted Oct 21 2021 - 23:46

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Nobody is asking for free wins dip[edited] just balanced teams. If WG programmer are that bad, then maybe they should hire some competent ones , should not be that difficult to change an already running program.

GeorgePreddy_lIl #57 Posted Oct 22 2021 - 04:12

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 21 2021 - 23:46, said:

Nobody is asking for free wins dip[edited] just balanced teams. If WG programmer are that bad, then maybe they should hire some competent ones , should not be that difficult to change an already running program.

 

If MM were changed to using SBMM, every player with a win rate less than ~49% would get "free wins" from SBMM until reaching ~49% win rate (over a large sample size). That is a direct effect of using SBMM. So, you are asking for "free wins" since you're win rate is only 45.67%.

 

Using skill random MM has the effect of allowing each player to achieve the win rate they deserve (over a large sample size).

 

If you check the poll results, you'll see that only a very small number of total voters agree with you about using SBMM for Random Battles. The people have spoken, why are you not listening ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



extracheesey #58 Posted Oct 22 2021 - 04:24

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 21 2021 - 23:46, said:

Nobody is asking for free wins dip[edited] just balanced teams. If WG programmer are that bad, then maybe they should hire some competent ones , should not be that difficult to change an already running program.

What do you suppose would be the effect of all that?  It would give you more wins without you having to be any better.  By the way, there isn't any MM or balancing in the world that is going make this game easier for you, my friend.  Let's face it, if you were going to get better it would have happen 30,000 battles ago.  Don't sweat it. So what if every team you're on treats you with derision and actual bots treat you like an xp pinata. Turn off chat.  Stop worrying about wins and losses since they are out of your control. Just enjoy driving around in a tank and shooting stuff.   I think you'll be happier. Good luck, have fun. 


Edited by extracheesey, Oct 22 2021 - 04:25.


cavalry11 #59 Posted Oct 22 2021 - 14:51

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Your arguments are pure [edited]and you know it nobody would get free wins just from having a more balanced matchmaker.

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View Postcavalry11, on Oct 22 2021 - 08:51, said:

Your arguments are pure [edited]and you know it nobody would get free wins just from having a more balanced matchmaker.

SBMM contracts win rates. Overall team skill balance SBMM will provide more wins for bad players and fewer wins for better players. It is basic math.






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