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M4 'Improved,' and I use that term loosly, needs some help


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Saydzhi #1 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 04:27

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Console WoT figured it out with giving it PMM, but the tank needs something.  

1) PMM seeing only up to tier 6

2) Dropped down to tier 4 retaining full +2 MM

3) Buff the gun pen for standard rounds

 

 



Lord_Smaug #2 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 05:29

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This tank is a lot older than people realize as it was designed but never added in during the era where new preferential MM premiums was still being added on a semi regular bases and the PZ 3K is also from the same period but likewise added in after the fact. WG isn't maintaining low tiers at all beyond just adding the occasional gift tank.

Draschel #3 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 06:14

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T14  M4E4  M4 improved  all need help.  And Pz T25, Turan III

 

T14 should get 76mm UFP,  63mm both parts of side hull,  25 track traverse like T1 heavy,  M7 75mm stock gun on T1 heavy

M4 improved should get M7  75mm  stock T1 heavy gun,  63mm UFP, 660 HP

M4E4 gift sherman should get  M7  75mm stock T1 heavy gun, 680HP

Pz T25  350m view range. 32'' turret traverse. Turan  350m view range, 45pc ammunition, 300 Bhp engine



Sam_Sanister #4 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 06:34

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More like tier 5s (and other lower tiers, for that matter) should be able to get Battle Pass points.

(even if tiers 1-5 have super low weekly BP point caps, like 10/20/30/40/50, with no bonuses for maxing out said points)



Cowcat137 #5 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 12:36

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View PostDraschel, on Oct 14 2021 - 06:14, said:

T14  M4E4  M4 improved  all need help.  And Pz T25, Turan III

 

T14 should get 76mm UFP,  63mm both parts of side hull,  25 track traverse like T1 heavy,  M7 75mm stock gun on T1 heavy

M4 improved should get M7  75mm  stock T1 heavy gun,  63mm UFP, 660 HP

M4E4 gift sherman should get  M7  75mm stock T1 heavy gun, 680HP

Pz T25  350m view range. 32'' turret traverse. Turan  350m view range, 45pc ammunition, 300 Bhp engine

Can you be more specific?

 



heavymetal1967 #6 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 14:26

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View PostLord_Smaug, on Oct 14 2021 - 00:29, said:

This tank is a lot older than people realize as it was designed but never added in during the era where new preferential MM premiums was still being added on a semi regular bases and the PZ 3K is also from the same period but likewise added in after the fact. WG isn't maintaining low tiers at all beyond just adding the occasional gift tank.

 

This as it was designed with preferential MM in mind, but released as Smaug says after the decided to end releasing new preferential MM tanks.  Problem was, to my knowledge it was never adjusted.

 

M3 Lee gun with worse dispersion and RoF.

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/m4-improved?t=m3-lee



Kramah313 #7 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 14:28

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View PostSam_Sanister, on Oct 13 2021 - 23:34, said:

More like tier 5s (and other lower tiers, for that matter) should be able to get Battle Pass points.

(even if tiers 1-5 have super low weekly BP point caps, like 10/20/30/40/50, with no bonuses for maxing out said points)


Agreed. I can see not allowing it at tier 1-4, though I think your system would be fine and allow very new players to participate more. But IMO tier 5 should be a full participant to battle pass. Tier 5 is fun and there’s some cool tanks there that people grinding battle pass have to choose not to play if they want to max their points. Although I will say the daily missions giving battle pass points helps this out some at least. 



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View PostDraschel, on Oct 13 2021 - 23:14, said:

T14  M4E4  M4 improved  all need help.  And Pz T25, Turan III

 

T14 should get 76mm UFP,  63mm both parts of side hull,  25 track traverse like T1 heavy,  M7 75mm stock gun on T1 heavy

M4 improved should get M7  75mm  stock T1 heavy gun,  63mm UFP, 660 HP

M4E4 gift sherman should get  M7  75mm stock T1 heavy gun, 680HP

Pz T25  350m view range. 32'' turret traverse. Turan  350m view range, 45pc ammunition, 300 Bhp engine

 

Turan just needs ammo.



Ken_McGuire #9 Posted Oct 14 2021 - 21:23

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Call me nuts, but I actually enjoy the M4 Improved - at least when I dip down to tier 5. Yes, the gun is wimpy. But with its good mobility and great view range for the tier, it can be a quite enjoyable LT/MT hybrid - at a tier where vision control is SO important.

And, yes. Much of this positive experience in the tanks is from driving it with the crew for the high tier US Mediums, where they have BIA and view range skills. Doing this tank with a more typical tier 5 crew would be a quite different experience.


Edited by Ken_McGuire, Oct 14 2021 - 21:24.


Draschel #10 Posted Oct 15 2021 - 00:19

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View PostCowcat137, on Oct 14 2021 - 12:36, said:

Can you be more specific?

 

ultra-specific






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