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KRZYBooP #1 Posted Dec 02 2021 - 17:26

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Howdy Boom Jockeys!

 

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The Czechoslovakian tank destroyer ShPTK-TVP 100 is going to the closed Supertest stage.

The ShPTK-TVP 100 is the first Czechoslovakian tank destroyer in the game. The vehicle has a turret that can rotate 360 degrees and a cyclical gun with 250 HP of damage per shot. The penetration of the main armor-piercing shell is 250 mm, and the special HEAT shell is 330 mm, which will allow you to cause damage to high-tier enemies. The aiming time is 1.9 s, the accuracy is 0.41, and the reload time is 7.5 s.

The thickness of the armor plates in the frontal projection of the turret and hull reaches 65 mm. The vehicle's durability is 1,150 HP. Top speed — 55 km/h, power-to-weight ratio is 21.9 h.p./t.

In terms of gameplay, the vehicle is a fairly mobile and fast-firing tank destroyer that can hit a variety of targets. Thanks to its good rate of fire, you won't have to worry about wasting shells on fast-moving targets, and the high penetration of the special HEAT shells will help you fight heavily armored high-tier enemies.



nuclearguy931 #2 Posted Dec 02 2021 - 17:28

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So will this be leading up to a TD branch in the Czech tree? If so, what is the estimate of that release?

ThaneTyrian #3 Posted Dec 02 2021 - 18:16

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View Postnuclearguy931, on Dec 02 2021 - 08:28, said:

So will this be leading up to a TD branch in the Czech tree? If so, what is the estimate of that release?

 

My thoughts EXACTLY!  Will A Czech TD Branch be the NEXT addition to the Tech Tree?  That's how WG usually rolls - add a Tier VIII Premium of a non-existent Tech Tree Branch THEN shortly thereafter add the Tech Tree Line...



Kharah #4 Posted Dec 02 2021 - 18:23

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This TD looks like crap compared to other TDs at tier 8. It has low alpha damage coupled with terrible DPM, no armor, and the gun's dispersion is so bad that it can't even snipe very well like a (sniper) tank destroyer should be able to. This TD needs a massive buff to both dispersion, shell velocity, and DPM to make it viable because in its current state tier 8 tank destroyers like the Skorpion, UDES 03 (along with the premium equivalent Strv S1), and even the Charioteer will walk all over this tank.

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I'm having trouble seeing what there is to suggest this tank...
At least it's not OP I guess, but this is definitely too far in the opposite direction in my opinion.

 

Survivability is crap. 1150 HP and thin armor. 65mm of armor frontally is just enough to not be HE penned by a decent amount of tanks, but that's the only good news there.
Mobility is decent. Good power/weight, decent hull traverse speed. Turret traverse speed is a bit low, but that's to be expected. Top speed is limited though. 55kmh isn't great. Plus we don't know the terrain resistances, which can really affect the mobility.
Firepower is... really underwhelming. Pen is good, but that's about it. Low alpha, mediocre reload/DPM (somewhere in the 2200-2500 DPM range maxed out I believe, which is bad given the alpha), bad accuracy, dispersion values are mediocre (besides turret rotation, which is good), only 6 degrees of gun depression, horrible shell velocity. It does have a decent HE shell, but that's not going to make up for everything else.

View range is crap, and we don't know the camo values.

 

It can't really play up close because it's paper and lacks alpha. It can't play at range because of the bad accuracy, dispersion, shell velocity, and overall underwhelming firepower.

 

But, this is the beginning of Supertest. So hopefully it will be stronger and more well-defined (instead of not fitting in any role) by the end of Supertest.



Mikosah #6 Posted Dec 02 2021 - 19:07

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The concept is fine, the gun just needs to be tuned to be competitive with other turreted TDs at the tier. Alternatively, cut the HP a little and set this down to tier 7. Just to throw something out there, nothing wrong with a low-alpha TD. It would be possible for the 250 alpha to work even at tier 8 if other aspects of the gun were good enough to compensate. Though as it currently stands, the accuracy and DPM are very disappointing.

bake3020 #7 Posted Dec 02 2021 - 20:54

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1) Where's the Japanese and other lines that have been in the game longer? 

2) I'll take this line though, I love tank destroyers, almost as much as I love arty. 

3) From the looks of the front, it must have the same feature as the Sweedish td's do.  Being able to raise and lower the font end.

 



Mikosah #8 Posted Dec 03 2021 - 00:48

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I just noticed the HESH shell, that should have been the first selling point. This is a good asset, but I don't think that alone justifies the gun's other drawbacks. Incidentally I'm starting to smell based on these numbers that the alpha used to be 320 at some point, that would have made more sense than 250.

BianHong #9 Posted Dec 03 2021 - 06:45

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View PostKRZYBooP, on Dec 02 2021 - 08:26, said:

Howdy Boom Jockeys!

 

Spoiler

 

The Czechoslovakian tank destroyer ShPTK-TVP 100 is going to the closed Supertest stage.

The ShPTK-TVP 100 is the first Czechoslovakian tank destroyer in the game. The vehicle has a turret that can rotate 360 degrees and a cyclical gun with 250 HP of damage per shot. The penetration of the main armor-piercing shell is 250 mm, and the special HEAT shell is 330 mm, which will allow you to cause damage to high-tier enemies. The aiming time is 1.9 s, the accuracy is 0.41, and the reload time is 7.5 s.

The thickness of the armor plates in the frontal projection of the turret and hull reaches 65 mm. The vehicle's durability is 1,150 HP. Top speed — 55 km/h, power-to-weight ratio is 21.9 h.p./t.

In terms of gameplay, the vehicle is a fairly mobile and fast-firing tank destroyer that can hit a variety of targets. Thanks to its good rate of fire, you won't have to worry about wasting shells on fast-moving targets, and the high penetration of the special HEAT shells will help you fight heavily armored high-tier enemies.

 

Does that vehicle have one of those hydraulic suspension where the player presses 'X'?



Firemoth #10 Posted Dec 03 2021 - 13:21

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the JT88 and AT15 are fast firing, with sub 5s reloads. 7.5s reload is very poor for only 250alpha.

_Katyusha___ #11 Posted Dec 03 2021 - 14:03

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Does it means we will have tankette vz33 and czech Hetzer?

Spam_Goose #12 Posted Dec 03 2021 - 16:56

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honestly making accuracy better and lowering that reload time would be perfect, 250 average damage isnt bad for 8 if it has dpm and accuracy, but as of now, its neither

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Send it back, 250 Alpha + 7.5 reload + 0.41 dispersion = worthless.

heavymetal1967 #14 Posted Dec 05 2021 - 14:37

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View PostBianHong, on Dec 03 2021 - 01:45, said:

 

Does that vehicle have one of those hydraulic suspension where the player presses 'X'?

 

Looks like it might if not it's really meh with those stats.  But I doubt it after looking closer at it's profile.

 

BUT and here's the thing. It has a fully rotating turret, so kind of doubt it parks into seige mode unless maybe the turret locks.  Plus I think they'd have mentioned it.

 

If it can "park" the dispersion can't be from not in siege mode.  But that aim time is already good if that's the not in seige mode value.

 

But again with a turret I doubt it and doubtful even WG would leave that detail out.


Edited by heavymetal1967, Dec 05 2021 - 14:44.


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This makes Ferdinand look like a powerful and almost broken TD.

Draschel #16 Posted Dec 07 2021 - 06:56

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View PostFiremoth, on Dec 03 2021 - 13:21, said:

the JT88 and AT15 are fast firing, with sub 5s reloads. 7.5s reload is very poor for only 250alpha.

 

Not sure exactly whats going on here. A statement to make the first Czech TD a junker? 

 

It has the DPM of WZ132 I am guessing. 7.5s reload with 250 alpha. Low for a TD, coupled with low alpha. Bad combo, turret or no turret.  .41 accuracy is very bad, to boot. Something with low DPM like M56 scorpion, T25/2 are a tier lower with the same practical DPM, but superior accuracy. The gun depression is ENTIRELY UNALIKE what looks to be the frame of Skoda 50 and 50/51, why not -8 at least? With an open turret, why can't the gun depress? Depressing. Most superstructure open top TD aren't armored, I am sure that 65mm will only be on the hull plates and perhaps one spot of the front turret, sort of like CS63 or T95E6. Can't even say the HEAT pen will be useful either with horrid 790m/s  Sherman tier 5 gun velocity. 

 

Only useful things this TD seem to apparently have, are at least better turret traverse than SU130PM and skorp G and charioteer. It has the fastest TD turret traverse in the game so far. Good mobility. and the higher pen HE shells that do uncharacteristic high damage. 



Mikosah #17 Posted Dec 09 2021 - 15:10

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https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2021/12/08/supertest-%f0%9f%87%a8%f0%9f%87%bf-shptk-tvp-100-changed-stats/

 

News is that some of the stats were buffed. The DPM is now at decency and the aim time is very good. My analysis as things stand is that this will be somewhat playable in the support role, but the poor accuracy will make sniping difficult. The HESH will focus the niche on countering soft targets. I repeat that having an unusually low alpha of 250 with AP at tier 8 is not a deal-breaker in itself. But I will also repeat the caveat that we're comparing the overall firepower to extremely well-armed turreted TDs like the Skorpion, Borsig, and Charioteer. There is no reason for the .41 spread as a balancing drawback considering this.







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