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Any progress on the FCM 50t receiving much needed buffs?


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Hendrix #1 Posted May 14 2022 - 02:05

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It's been what feels like a year since we received any update on the progress of the FCM buffs. I mean I got a lot of use out of this tank years ago, if it doesn't get updated no biggie, I just feel like there aren't many premiums that have been power crept as much as this and the CDC. 

The_Happiest_Husky #2 Posted May 14 2022 - 03:26

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Buff jtiger 88 too, but only make it reload faster. I just want more dpm cause it's funny lol

gpc_4 #3 Posted May 14 2022 - 04:23

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Depends on what time frame "years ago" means, but it was buffed.

Hendrix #4 Posted May 14 2022 - 05:04

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Not in this most recent pass at oudated premiums.It was like what 3 patches with 5 each buffed. Even the grand daddy got buffed, the t34.

Whistling_Death_ #5 Posted May 14 2022 - 07:25

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View PostHendrix, on May 13 2022 - 20:05, said:

It's been what feels like a year since we received any update on the progress of the FCM buffs. I mean I got a lot of use out of this tank years ago, if it doesn't get updated no biggie, I just feel like there aren't many premiums that have been power crept as much as this and the CDC. 

 

What do you feel needs improving?  It already has a fantastic view range, a very good, accurate, high penetration gun and it's very fast.  What's not to like?



Mojo_Riesing #6 Posted May 14 2022 - 07:48

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View PostWhistling_Death_, on May 13 2022 - 22:25, said:

 

What do you feel needs improving?  It already has a fantastic view range, a very good, accurate, high penetration gun and it's very fast.  What's not to like?

 

Yup, it's a GREAT Heavium.



Hendrix #7 Posted May 14 2022 - 11:46

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You have to be joking? Play one and find out. No seriously, take one out for a spin, I'll wait. 

Whistling_Death_ #8 Posted May 14 2022 - 12:34

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View PostHendrix, on May 14 2022 - 05:46, said:

You have to be joking? Play one and find out. No seriously, take one out for a spin, I'll wait. 

 

No need to wait.  I have hundreds of battles with mine.  Again, what's not to like?

 

 


Edited by Whistling_Death_, May 14 2022 - 19:34.


Mr_Fantabulous #9 Posted May 14 2022 - 15:07

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I like my CDC and FCM. Do they need to be buffed?

Hendrix #10 Posted May 14 2022 - 20:37

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I love my Chueftain, it doesn't need nerfed at all. It's perfectly balanced as all things should be. My fcm on the other hand is outgunned, out armored, is about e100 sized. It's speed and weight have always been blessed, but in order to use them to maximum effect, you will lose a significant chunk of hp. The gun, with an excellent rate of fire, is very sporadic oftentimes missing fully aimed shots. 

 

If the t34-3, t34, jag 88 and other old premiums received a few tweeks, I don't see why the fcm would be passed over. Pref matchmaking or not, it's just not a solid tank anymore. Again, doesn't bother me, have more than enough premiums, but I always did enjoy it before the power creep. 



Whistling_Death_ #11 Posted May 15 2022 - 01:47

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View PostHendrix, on May 14 2022 - 14:37, said:

I love my Chueftain, it doesn't need nerfed at all. It's perfectly balanced as all things should be. My fcm on the other hand is outgunned, out armored, is about e100 sized. It's speed and weight have always been blessed, but in order to use them to maximum effect, you will lose a significant chunk of hp. The gun, with an excellent rate of fire, is very sporadic oftentimes missing fully aimed shots. 

 

If the t34-3, t34, jag 88 and other old premiums received a few tweeks, I don't see why the fcm would be passed over. Pref matchmaking or not, it's just not a solid tank anymore. Again, doesn't bother me, have more than enough premiums, but I always did enjoy it before the power creep. 

 

The FCM 50 t is fast precisely because it doesn't have a lot of armor.  It's not a brawling tank.  If more armor was slapped onto it, it would slow it down. No thanks.

 

The 212 mm of average penetration for the AP round is outstanding with a shell velocity of 1,000 meters per second..  For anything that it wont penetrate, the 259 mm of penetration with the APCR round and its 1,250 meters per second shell speed will usually get the job done.

 

My FCM 50 t is accurate and hits what I aim at.  Missing fully aimed shots is almost always a case of lag, which varies from player to player depending on how far away they are from the server.

 

The stock view range of the FCM 50 t is a fantastic 400 meters.  With equipment and crew training, my FCM 50 t has a view range over 500 meters.  I can shoot at tanks that can't even see my tank to return fire.

 

WIth the FCM 50 t's Preferred Matchmaking and only having to battle a maximum of one tier higher, it's icing on the cake.

 

Here is the Tanks.gg page for the FCM 50 t;  https://tanks.gg/tank/fcm-50-t

 

 


Edited by Whistling_Death_, May 15 2022 - 01:47.


AceTanker3 #12 Posted May 15 2022 - 04:01

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Give it 400 alpha, increase reverse speed by 5km/s. Reload to 3 second a shot, accuracy to .3, and give it 200 mm frontal hull. Easy buff

Whistling_Death_ #13 Posted May 15 2022 - 19:01

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View PostAceTanker3, on May 14 2022 - 22:01, said:

Give it 400 alpha, increase reverse speed by 5km/s. Reload to 3 second a shot, accuracy to .3, and give it 200 mm frontal hull. Easy buff

 

Then it loses its great speed and maneuverability.

 

The reverse speed of the FCM 50 t is already 20 km/h stock.  That's fast for any tank, but especially a heavy tank.

 

After 440 battles my FCM 50 t has the following stats;

 

Firepower

 

Average Damage = 240

Average Penetration = 212

Rate of Fire = 10.18

Gun Loading = 5.89

Gun Traverse Speed = 41.55

Gun Depression/Elevation Angles = -10/17

Aiming Time = 1.99

Dispersion at 100 m = 0.31

Average Damage Per Minute = 2,444

 

Mobility

 

Weight/Load Limit = 54.54/57.5

Engine Power = 1,344

Specific Power = 24.64

Top Speed/Reverse Speed = 55/22

Traverse Speed = 28.94

 

Concealment

 

Stationary Vehicle (%) = 10.69/2.41

Moving Vehicle (%) = 6.35/1.43

 

Spotting

 

View Range = 516

Signal Range = 866

 

With its huge 91 round ammo rack, the FCM 50 t also enjoys a wide selection of ammunition to choose from.

 

 

The FCM 50 t is not a brawling tank. It's a heavy tank in name only.

 

What is not to like about the above performance statistics?


Edited by Whistling_Death_, May 15 2022 - 20:09.


Soloviceus #14 Posted May 16 2022 - 00:26

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It's the largest medium tank in the game.  

 

I would like to see it gets some buffs but I don't think preferential MM tanks are really a priority to WG.

 

 



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I know they buffed a bunch of tier 8 premiums last year, but I don't think the FCM was one of them.  The last buff I'm aware of is from update 1.2 in 2018 where it got the following:

 

  • FCM 50 t:
    • Reload time decreased from 7.5 to 6.8 s
    • Gun depression angle increased from -8° to -10°
    • Engine replaced; engine power increased from 1,000 to 1,250 hp
    • Specific power increased from 18.4 to 23.0 hp/t


Hendrix #16 Posted May 16 2022 - 04:40

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Right 2018, but it's ok because it's fast and barely maneuverable and as big as a house. It's fine. Everything's fine. 

Draschel #17 Posted May 16 2022 - 05:11

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the problems with FCM50 are many.

 

1- The game doesn't really cater for DPM tanks unless they have good dispersion soft stats and camo, to make use of DPM. Take for example Renegade and Caerarvon. While they do not have camo, they combine the soft stat dispersion values (greatly superior to FCM50) with turret armor, which again FCM lacks. This makes FCM50 sort of strong suit, hard to use, and not really a strong suit. Proposed buff:  decrease FCM50 aim-time to 2sec, dispersions to 0.16/0.16 

2-Tanks generally counter their poor armor schemes with good camo. FCM50 has trouble with this, though it is really fast for a heavy, many mediums even have superior armor. Proposed buff:  increase camo rating to 6.50 base.  increase UFP and front turret to 150mm. increase LFP to 80mm, front turret roof to 50mm. I mean if 705A can have over 6pts of base camo, why can't an FCM? At the protection level, it still is generally weak VS tier 8s (not even 200mm effective) but removes pesky 122mm AP over matches and can remove alot of easy tier 6-7 AP pens.  

3-Increase rate of fire to 8.96 like older Tiger H for  touch more DPM.

 

 



Draschel #18 Posted May 16 2022 - 05:19

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AMX CDC needs some big changes. It too has a host of problems

 

Make CDC operate LIKE a light tank, but labelled LIKE a medium tank. For simplicity sake, allow it to retain its camo on the move. So while the base 11.10 camo is low.....allow it to KEEP this camo while moving.

Make CDC have a radio man for 5-person crew (it has hull machine gunner, why not) This is important as it allows radioman easily picking up situational awareness rather than having commander have to take it. This gives an awesome VR bonus.  

Make CDC new rate of fire like current FCM50, 8.82. This gives it much needed DPM improvement. 

Make CDC share FCM50 1,250 B.HP engine and increase track traverse to 54''  Its desperately needed for more dynamic maneuverability. If pantera can have 54, so should CDC. 



Draschel #19 Posted May 16 2022 - 05:27

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I mean, generally looking into suka pershing boosts, M46KR boosts, ISU130 boosts, STA2 boosts, KV4 kreslavs boosts.....

these things seem perfectly reasonable. Errr, well not unreasonable to ask. don't break any tier 8 balance either. That is good.



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View PostWhistling_Death_, on May 15 2022 - 13:01, said:

 

Then it loses its great speed and maneuverability.

 

The reverse speed of the FCM 50 t is already 20 km/h stock.  That's fast for any tank, but especially a heavy tank.

 

After 440 battles my FCM 50 t has the following stats;

 

Win Rate - 48.41%

DPG - 796

KPG - 0.67

 

 

The FCM 50 t is not a brawling tank. It's a heavy tank in name only.

 

What is not to like about the above performance statistics?

 

I don't know that you are doing what you think you are doing, if you think you are making the tank look good.

 

I haven't played the FCM 50t in a long time. It was a pretty decent mediumish tank... in 2013.


Edited by Treeburst, May 16 2022 - 05:42.





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