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Mayhem300 #1 Posted Jun 22 2022 - 18:18

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Pick one ammo, gold or regular and balance to that ammo.  Having both is stupid and is making armor useless.  I you want both then add a a gold item to help make gun depression, speed, rate of fire, view range, gun elevation, traverse speed, cammo, and bullet speed worse.  Why punish just one?  You are ruining a 1/4 of your tanks.  How STUPID can you be?

Projectile_Misfired #2 Posted Jun 22 2022 - 19:40

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View PostMayhem300, on Jun 22 2022 - 17:18, said:

Pick one ammo, gold or regular and balance to that ammo.  Having both is stupid and is making armor useless.  I you want both then add a a gold item to help make gun depression, speed, rate of fire, view range, gun elevation, traverse speed, cammo, and bullet speed worse.  Why punish just one?  You are ruining a 1/4 of your tanks.  How STUPID can you be?

 

I can see how different type of ammo could change the RoF...due to the weight of the rounds being different. So, this "might" be a legitimate request.

And, one of the advantages of using Premium ammo is the increased "speed" of a fired round. So, this one shouldn't even be considered.

But seriously, you honestly think changing other characteristics of the tank, base on the type of round used, is a "good" idea? Come on. Think about what you're saying.

How does the type of round affect gun depression/elevation and traverse speed? 

View range? Speed? Camo? Really???????

 



ATruk #3 Posted Jun 22 2022 - 20:41

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I would go with the cheap one.

cavalry11 #4 Posted Jun 22 2022 - 20:45

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He has no basis in reality.

TheJeep1 #5 Posted Jun 22 2022 - 21:36

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View PostMayhem300, on Jun 22 2022 - 09:18, said:

Pick one ammo, gold or regular and balance to that ammo.  Having both is stupid and is making armor useless.  I you want both then add a a gold item to help make gun depression, speed, rate of fire, view range, gun elevation, traverse speed, cammo, and bullet speed worse.  Why punish just one?  You are ruining a 1/4 of your tanks.  How STUPID can you be?

What else kills you in game?  We might as well get rid of that too.



ez_money #6 Posted Jun 22 2022 - 21:50

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Rarely if ever shoot any premium ammo at all. If other people feel the need to use it to get their damage, then so be it. The humorous aspect is people spamming premium ammo when there is absolutely no need to.

 

That being said, I have always advocated for just one type of ammo but that will never happen of course, so I live with it.



Ehrlichmann #7 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 02:44

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WG does not design the game around balance - NO SUCH THING - they design it around making money.

Faster games(go-carts) and premium ammo make the game go quicker and allow double red incompetents to actually do damage.

 

Armor, for the most part, always has and always will be mostly meaningless.  WG want OP tank owners to be happy while making money.

Balance ends, as soon as, a person is added to the equation.  Game is not designed to be:  fair/fun/easy/team oriented/balanced/make sense/realistic/etc...

Its designed to make:  contributors/paying customers/elite clans content while making money.  WG cannot cater to everyone, they shouldn't even try.



I_QQ_4_U #8 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 02:54

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I'd love to see WG get rid of premium ammo for a month and see the whiners go apoplectic when they see the results. Any changes to ammo, especially nerfing premium, would have to be accompanied by often drastic changes to pretty much every tank in the game.

Korvick #9 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 03:42

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Jun 23 2022 - 01:54, said:

I'd love to see WG get rid of premium ammo for a month and see the whiners go apoplectic when they see the results. Any changes to ammo, especially nerfing premium, would have to be accompanied by often drastic changes to pretty much every tank in the game.

 

WG wanted to change prem ammo such that it does less damage.  About 3 years ago now.  Keeps the same higher pen but lower damage.  So a balanced trade off.  Same mechanic as in Steel Hunter in fact.  And the PLAYERBASE went apoplectic.  Got shelved and hasn't been heard of since.

 

So before people ask for Prem ammo to be nerfed or changed, you better ask the person next to you if they want it first.



IgnoramBus #10 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 04:39

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View Postez_money, on Jun 22 2022 - 15:50, said:

Rarely if ever shoot any premium ammo at all. If other people feel the need to use it to get their damage, then so be it. The humorous aspect is people spamming premium ammo when there is absolutely no need to.

 

That being said, I have always advocated for just one type of ammo but that will never happen of course, so I live with it.


I have no problem firing gold at when there "is absolutely no need to."  If the standard round is AP, and the prem ammo is APCR, maybe I need that extra velocity to hit a fast mover....or maybe I load a gold round to make sure that kill is secured.  It has it's uses.



RenamedUser_1048873636 #11 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 06:49

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Tanks with armour???  Really, when did that happen in this game???  I thought they removed that!

Korvick #12 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 07:22

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View PostRenamedUser_1048873636, on Jun 23 2022 - 05:49, said:

Tanks with armour???  Really, when did that happen in this game???  I thought they removed that!

 

My E75 would debate that.



I_QQ_4_U #13 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 11:21

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View PostKorvick, on Jun 23 2022 - 03:42, said:

 

WG wanted to change prem ammo such that it does less damage.  About 3 years ago now.  Keeps the same higher pen but lower damage.  So a balanced trade off.  Same mechanic as in Steel Hunter in fact.  And the PLAYERBASE went apoplectic.  Got shelved and hasn't been heard of since.

 

 

In that case they were right though, just lowering the alpha suddenly makes all tanks with good armour that much stronger. Look how much they whine about tanks like the 279 now. It might have been a good idea right off the bat when the game started but now it would require and entire rebalancing of all the tanks in the game which few will be happy about.



Korvick #14 Posted Jun 23 2022 - 23:54

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Jun 23 2022 - 10:21, said:

 

 

In that case they were right though, just lowering the alpha suddenly makes all tanks with good armour that much stronger. Look how much they whine about tanks like the 279 now. It might have been a good idea right off the bat when the game started but now it would require and entire rebalancing of all the tanks in the game which few will be happy about.

 

Of course it would advantage tanks with good armour.  ANY changes to Prem ammo will do that.  My point though is that this is not even an issue at the moment because we won't even get past the first gatekeeper, which is - the majority of people either don't care or don't want any Prem ammo changes.  This factoid will likely drive a lot of people here into deep denial tho. 

 

And this is why "Prem ammo" will always remain an unresolved hot button topic and we'll all willingly waste our time typing about it :P






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