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[AznTank7]

 iDestroya, on Apr 05 2012 - 15:43, said:

hands down, T59 is better. while it doesn't have the LB1, it's got way better armor and will bounce a lot of shots whereas any shot that lands near T44 damages it and tracks it. you have to stay back and snipe with it given the matchups it gets into. even in tier8 medium battles, it'll do terribly because it is the worst tier8 med by far (see the other post) - it can't brawl vs T59s or lorraine; it can't outsnipe panther2 or pershing. it can outmaneuver it, but it'll die before getting close enough to the panther2 or pershing.

There might be a thousand players out there that hate the T-44, but at the same time there is about a million others who think it is godly. Success just depends on skill if u ask me. For example, for some strange reason, I cannot play KV at all. Just not good at it. Anyways so it turns out the latest patch nerfed the Lorraine and Batchat(info from a Lorraine user) and made them somewhat difficult to use in some situations. I don't know if you have seen it but Pershings have a serious track problem. Saw a Pershing get tracked 5 times in one game which would frustrate anyone unless they had good repair crew. You just gotta use a tank's pros and cons efficiently ^-^

[Riceygringo]

I found that whenever I fight a Type 59 one on one, it's 90% dependent on whether I bounce or not. Bouncing is highly likely

[PanzerHyeena]

 Riceygringo, on Apr 06 2012 - 06:09, said:

I found that whenever I fight a Type 59 one on one, it's 90% dependent on whether I bounce or not. Bouncing is highly likely

Don't aim for the turret or frontal armor, the 100mm's punch big holes in the sides of the Type 59, the trick to fighting them in a T-44 is to turn the battle into a turning fight and just keep hammering their sides and rear; this is a fight a Type has no hope of winning against a fully upgraded T-44 with a 100% crew, you don't even need the RSG or oil and the Type will need them to even come close to being able to catch you.

[iDestroya]

 AznTank7, on Apr 06 2012 - 04:49, said:

Saw a Pershing get tracked 5 times in one game which would frustrate anyone unless they had good repair crew. You just gotta use a tank's pros and cons efficiently ^-^

I've had my T59 (with 100% repair skill) get tracked almost the entire 12 minute battle game one time - perhaps about 15x. It was on that ice map, in between two mountains, I was facing a host of mediums including two other T59s almost on my own, had about 40 shots on me, bounced half of them. We won and I got steel wall. So getting tracked 5 times is no stranger to me in T59. yeah my T44 had 100% repair crew too. first thing I train on all crews (except arties).

[Okeano]

 KazukiFerret, on Apr 06 2012 - 10:33, said:

Don't aim for the turret or frontal armor, the 100mm's punch big holes in the sides of the Type 59, the trick to fighting them in a T-44 is to turn the battle into a turning fight and just keep hammering their sides and rear; this is a fight a Type has no hope of winning against a fully upgraded T-44 with a 100% crew, you don't even need the RSG or oil and the Type will need them to even come close to being able to catch you.

Except it's very easy for the Type to keep his front armor towards you. If he keeps backing up and swirling, it's flat out impossible to get around it. And in the time you are spending tying to get to his sides, you are getting shot. Last time I tired to get to the side of a Type, a Lorriane further back behind him unloaded a clip into me. Assuming you aren't getting shot by him as you try to get close and kept getting shot while you try to get to the side, and these are BIG assumptions, run behind/around a tank isn't an option most of the time because you are exposing yourself to his supports up to 300-400 meters behind him.

[Riceygringo]

A medium having to circle another medium of the same tier just to kill it is fail...Especially a premium one at that. Honestly I dont understand why WG didnt just give it the 120mm of front armor (same as T-54) and call it a tier 9, instead of forcing something into tier 8. Currently it has the highest win rate of all the tier 8 mediums.

[KainosEchad]

I think its win rate is due to the favorable matching more than the tank itself. While it is a great tank ( I drive the 54,59 and 44)the only reason I drive the 59 more than the other two is the cash I make. The addition of the LB-1 to the 44 helped but what is going to cause me to sell that tank is the nerf they did to the credits it earns. I was planning on keeping my 44 for ever until now its a win and do well just to break even tank.

[Helios_7]

 KazukiFerret, on Apr 06 2012 - 10:33, said:

Don't aim for the turret or frontal armor, the 100mm's punch big holes in the sides of the Type 59, the trick to fighting them in a T-44 is to turn the battle into a turning fight and just keep hammering their sides and rear; this is a fight a Type has no hope of winning against a fully upgraded T-44 with a 100% crew, you don't even need the RSG or oil and the Type will need them to even come close to being able to catch you.

Hahahahaha seriously?

You want to circle fight a Type-59 in a T-44, a medium in the same tier, how hard do you want to fail? Are you going to assume the Type-59 has no idea how to play the game and cant just turn & swirl his front to constantly face you, I know I always do? Are you also going to assume the Type player wont just track you while you try to circle him and just finish you off and are you assuming that while you approach the Type and trying not to hit his front hull and turret he wont be hitting YOUR front hull and YOUR turret and penning you every time?

lol good one.

[lostwingman]

The problem with the Type 59 is it is a heavy tank masquerading as a medium...think about it like that and a whole lot of things start to click.

[LouCypher111]

 Helios_7, on Apr 10 2012 - 17:55, said:

Hahahahaha seriously?

You want to circle fight a Type-59 in a T-44, a medium in the same tier, how hard do you want to fail? Are you going to assume the Type-59 has no idea how to play the game and cant just turn & swirl his front to constantly face you, I know I always do? Are you also going to assume the Type player wont just track you while you try to circle him and just finish you off and are you assuming that while you approach the Type and trying not to hit his front hull and turret he wont be hitting YOUR front hull and YOUR turret and penning you every time?

lol good one.

And how are you going to do that in your Type-59 when I track you with my T-44, two can play that game and once your track my T-44 is quick enough to avoid your cannon, at that point your in a world hopw.

[MaxMike]

Anyone who thinks the T-59 is a better tank than the T-44 in it current state does not understand either tank.

The T-59 is sluggish from a dead stop the T-44 will run circles around a T-59 and if you are doing it right the T-59 cannot keep it nose toward you. Add to that the T-59 is a rolling critical hit that ammo racks or burns if you look at it crossed eyed given equal driver the T-59 loses most times.

Yea if you sit back on your heals and let the T-59 fight his fight chances are you will lose... if you take the initiative and fight your fight you win most times.

The biggest trick to beating the T-59 is stop wetting your pants when you see them and realize they are the worst tier 8 medium.

[Okeano]

Funny. My T-44 got 100% clutch breaking and 95% off road driving and it can't circle a Type unless it's tracked and just sits there. Circling it expose your self to the tanks behind him. Tried it, got shot up by his support at the back. And like I said, to circle a tank you have to get close to it first. Since T-44 can't teleport, you are getting shot at by Type as you try to get close. You have to be PRETTY bad if you can't keep your nose at a T-44 when you have 45 degree per min traverse, it's not a 50-2.

Stop saying it's the worst tier 8 med. It trades acceleration for armor. That's not worse, that's equal ground trade off like T95 vs Obj 704. If it's got the SAME armor as T-44 and have weaker engine, then yeah it's worst and what it's suppose to be. Type also got impenetrable turret(my T-44's cheeks got shot to swiss cheese today) and better gun depression, so yeah I think it's got plenty trade off to make up for its weaker engine.

[Okeano]

Double post.

[iDestroya]

 LouCypher111, on Apr 10 2012 - 22:28, said:

And how are you going to do that in your Type-59 when I track you with my T-44, two can play that game and once your track my T-44 is quick enough to avoid your cannon, at that point your in a world hopw.

you're joking. If you get lucky enough to get the first shot in, yes you can track it. if he gets the first shot in, he will track you. this is circular argument and does not end. who ever tracks first, may potentially win. regardless, even if say YOU got lucky and tracked T59, you will bounce one or two of your shots because of his armor, while every single one of his shots will pen you! and guess who's gonna be dead.

The only way a T44 wins a 1v1 fight against T59 is a) its on low HP and you get lucky and track him first! That's a lot of ifs you're depending on to win. the best way to win a 1v1 fight vs 59? is use your acceleration, and RUN from 59, hide and snipe when he catches up, and run again. This is a different definition to the "run and gun" offense.

[MaxMike]

 Okeano, on Apr 11 2012 - 03:23, said:

Funny. My T-44 got 100% clutch breaking and 95% off road driving and it can't circle a Type unless it's tracked and just sits there. Circling it expose your self to the tanks behind him. Tried it, got shot up by his support at the back. And like I said, to circle a tank you have to get close to it first. Since T-44 can't teleport, you are getting shot at by Type as you try to get close. You have to be PRETTY bad if you can't keep your nose at a T-44 when you have 45 degree per min traverse, it's not a 50-2.

Stop saying it's the worst tier 8 med. It trades acceleration for armor. That's not worse, that's equal ground trade off like T95 vs Obj 704. If it's got the SAME armor as T-44 and have weaker engine, then yeah it's worst and what it's suppose to be. Type also got impenetrable turret(my T-44's cheeks got shot to swiss cheese today) and better gun depression, so yeah I think it's got plenty trade off to make up for its weaker engine.

It is the worst... it is the worst.... it is the worst

The t-44 engine has 160 more HP on a tank that is 10%+ lighter than the T-59... this is HUGE in a circling fight. It is huge all the time.

Do not shoot the turret.


Lorraine 40 t 53.84%    
Type 59  51.09%  
T-44 51.94%  
M26 Pershing 51.07%
Panther II 51.83%  

Are you aware the latest server stats the T-59 has a global win rate almost a full percent less than the T-44... a tank that starts elite and does not have to suffer through any module upgrades should be at the top if it is just equal but the T-59 cannot mange that because.....

It is the worst... it is the worst.... it is the worst

[Helios_7]

 LouCypher111, on Apr 10 2012 - 22:28, said:

And how are you going to do that in your Type-59 when I track you with my T-44, two can play that game and once your track my T-44 is quick enough to avoid your cannon, at that point your in a world hopw.

There's the difference, Type-59 requires a handicap to fight T-44 because Type otherwise mops the floor with it. And again, T-44 is IN NO WAY fast enough to circle a Type-59, not on flat ground, not in uneven ground, not in rough terrain. Do you understand Type has 45 deg/s Hull Travers and 45 deg/s turret Travers. Do you even have a Type-59? I have over 300 battles in T-44 and over 700 in Type-59 I know the strengths of each one.

In your scenario I would just use a repair kit and keep tracking you while you foolishly try to go around me, while I face you with my front armor your exposing your side armor the whole time.

[Okeano]

 MaxMike, on Apr 11 2012 - 16:43, said:

The t-44 engine has 160 more HP on a tank that is 10%+ lighter than the T-59... this is HUGE in a circling fight. It is huge all the time.

And Type has better passability so it bleeds less speed on turning and it's got higher top speed, what's your point? What, you circle every tank you see? I already told you circling someone expose yourself to the tanks behind him and is not always an option. Type doesn't have to circle with T-44, just sit there and rotate on spot with 45 degrees/sec track traverse to keep its front at the T-44. Why don't you answer some of my points instead of just plug your ears and "LALALA it's teh worst". Your T-44 can teleport next to a Type and circle it? Because mine have to drive close to it first and get shot while doing it. Mobility wise it's more mobile than Panther II or Pershing, and I already pointed out the CRAP TONE of advantages it gets to make up for the weaker engine - god turret, hull that bounce 50% of shots of its peers, better gun depression. At the worst it's on equal ground with T-44 despite being a premium tank.    

 MaxMike, on Apr 11 2012 - 16:43, said:

Do not shoot the turret.

No shit. Too bad 175mm pen can only pen the HULL 50% of the time unangled at close range. Add some distance and angle to that and you get... what 25% chance to pen if even?

Spoiler

 MaxMike, on Apr 11 2012 - 16:43, said:

Lorraine 40 t 53.84%    
Type 59  51.09%  
T-44 51.94%  
M26 Pershing 51.07%
Panther II 51.83%  

Are you aware the latest server stats the T-59 has a global win rate almost a full percent less than the T-44... a tank that starts elite and does not have to suffer through any module upgrades should be at the top if it is just equal but the T-59 cannot mange that because.....

And guess what, a new player who just DL'ed the game could buy a Type and plenty did. So even with those players driving around shooting at birds, Type's global WR still isn't that low. Where as you have to work your way to a T-44 so every T-44 driver would have at least played a few hundred games even if they free EXP'ed. Type with average less skilled player population isn't that far behind in WR.

[Ghoest]

Playing against the average pug player the t59 is best because most people either dont or cant aim.

One on one with 2 skilled player the 44 is better.

[Riceygringo]

 MaxMike, on Apr 11 2012 - 16:43, said:

It is the worst... it is the worst.... it is the worst

The t-44 engine has 160 more HP on a tank that is 10%+ lighter than the T-59... this is HUGE in a circling fight. It is huge all the time.

Do not shoot the turret.


Lorraine 40 t 53.84%    
Type 59  51.09%  
T-44 51.94%  
M26 Pershing 51.07%
Panther II 51.83%  

Are you aware the latest server stats the T-59 has a global win rate almost a full percent less than the T-44... a tank that starts elite and does not have to suffer through any module upgrades should be at the top if it is just equal but the T-59 cannot mange that because.....

It is the worst... it is the worst.... it is the worst

Learn to read...PLEASE!

The stats u posted are the Global_WR, which is the win rate of the players on ALL THEIR TANKS. Type 59 has less skilled players but it has a higher win rate.

Snib's stats

[Atayu]

Before the t-44 got the last engine upgrade and the LB-1 it was on par with the type-59, Then the t-44 got the lb-1 and the new engine and surpassed the type-59. Then the type got its match making made worse, its pen lowered, its acceleration slower, and got made bigger. A decent t-44 driver should walk all over a decent type-59 driver. The only advantage the type-59 has over the t-44 is its front turret armor and lower front hull armor. The t-44 is better in every other way. Also the lb-1 is a far Superior gun then the d10-t that is on the type. The mobility of the t-44 puts the type to shame. Now if a t-44 sits front to frunt in a shotout fight it might lose, because it is letting the type use its 1 advantage.