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[B_Wilco]

I think we scared Sadukar off.....

I have just gotten to the point of laughing at 0 damage hits. every 3rd shot does no damage, but the flip side is that i get hit with 0 damage shots a lot as well.

I was in my T110 yesterday and i got tracked in the open while trying to take some shots at a few guys down a hill. I was double tracked twice and stuck in the open for almost a full minute i received 3 direct hits from arty, 4 hits from a IS-3, 6 from a T32, 4 from a T110, and a few from some scouts(but they don't count). the T32 kept me tracked and bounced everything else, my screen lit up red for each shot that went through my armor and my tank showed holes for each shot that went through, however i only lost 800hp during the ordeal. The arty was the only one to do actual damage to my tank(and he took 2 crew, tracks, and 2 other modules). just from the IS-3 and T110(over 3k in damage) i should have been dead, but i lived helped kill all of them and went on to cap for the win.

[Rackminster]

+1 for the OP.

This explains why I keep getting Penetration with no damage.  I suppose if I had the "see critical damage" skill on my Commander, I'd know what was getting banged up.

It also explains why someone managed to neatly knock out the viewport on my KV but did no damage to me.  I felt pretty dern lucky that round.  If they hit the viewport again, would the hull have taken the hit?

[Kemosobe]

I just had 4 zero damage hits with my Ferdinand in my last game. 3 against KVs with the KV-2 turret, and I hit them in the turret. The 4th was against a T1 Heavy. Gotta love how a tier 8 tank destroyer cant damage tier 5 heavies.

[Otto_matic_Reiffel]

Oddly last night I had a shot take out my Tiger II's viewports with no damage (explainable) but also a shot took out my loader with no damage (wtf). The loader is in the middle of the turret, I fail to see how he could be hit without putting a hole in the hull.

[MalikCarr]

Could we get a new voice report, maybe? Like something that says "That one just hit the wheels!" or "It missed the hull, aim higher!" or something to that extent?

I don't entirely buy this explanation of things but there is some logic to it. To wit getting a verbal clarification when you're shooting that that's actually what happened could go a long way towards improving people's shooting at the enemy.

[bobicous]

Just wanted to follow up on the total garbage this game has become because of this BS!

Circling a bad IS-4 who was at 4% health in my lorri, 5 no damage pens and a bounce off the rear.

3 no damage penning hits on an m4 with my amx45 with the top gun, cost us the game as he was capping.

5 no damage hits with my t30 all on the side, 2 amx 90, 2 tiger p, 2 e-75

Sorry but its not spaced armor, its not 0 damage crits, its just horribad programming that needs to get fixed.  I for one will not give WG another penny until this gets fixed as its makes the terrible MM and LOS look like works of art!

[Kurt_Knispel]

Well I fiddled with gold ammo and that conspiracy theory is debunked. The pen for zero is out of hand on both types and WG really, REALLY needs to sort this.

[Kemosobe]

Seeing as Wargaming seems to only change/fix/patch things that people do not care about and do not need patching, maby we should all just agree that it works so Wargaming will look at how they can F it up (which means they will fix it).

[eVo]

Kurt_Knispel, on Apr 18 2012 - 19:45, said:

Well I fiddled with gold ammo and that conspiracy theory is debunked. The pen for zero is out of hand on both types and WG really, REALLY needs to sort this.

Gold ammo doesnt help either you still get "That didnt go threw" f'n msg. And you can be right on top of the guy

[WreckinBall]

OK i know people are like dude this is just the new spaced armor but thats just not possible.  For one i shot a T1 heavy with my is4 with the s70 gun and did 0 dmg!  secondly i just had a match where i shot two tanks in the side in my m41 arty one at range and another in close combat and both 0 dmg!  The m41 uses HE rounds so there should have been some dmg to something but there was none.  I have also shot AMX tanks more specificaly amx 13 90s and 75s in my is4 and have numerous 0 dmg hits on them.  This is a bug/glitch pls fix imediatly as it is costing skilled players matches and making this game a game of chance and not skill!  

[enjineer]

This shit needs to be fixed ASAP!  No reason for 7 consecutive shots from a Maus to pen and do ZERO damage

[am462]

I have to say, I agree with the original post; this was something I have suspected for a while.

I always aim at the upper part of the tracks/hull and I don't have that much trouble with 0 hits. I occasionally get them, but not with enough frequency to cause me major pain.

Maybe a particular style of aiming helps exaggerate the problem (I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that it seems to affect some people more)

[WarStore]

A few days ago there was this IS7 with 150 HP left coming up the hill. I was driving my Jagdtiger, and the IS'7s lower glacis was completely exposed, at 20 mts away. I shot there, as I had done before sucessfully, but this time my shell penetrated and did no damage at all. Few seconds later he kills me.
Not to mention the times that my SPG's HE rounds penetrated and did no damage to the enemy. It is rare, but happened a few times, one being against a Tiger.

[SilverforceX]

The server monkey assigned to calculate your shot went on strike.

Like in FPS games, no rego!

[Chazbo]

whatever it is, please fix it soon!, im sick of shooting tanks on the side giving no damage and then having them come up and destroy me with thier little health left

[RageHellion]

Honor_the_Tiger, on Apr 12 2012 - 03:50, said:

You blame tracks, you blame rangefinders, you blame Everything for these shots. YOU'RE NOT COMPREHENDING WHAT IS BEING SAID. I know I am gonna catch a ban for this but this is the only way left. Edited< THERE ARE NO RANGE FINDERS OR VIEW PORTS IN THE LOWER FRONT HULL OR OVER THE ENGINE COVER! YET YOU HAVE NOT EXPLAINED WHY WE STILL GET 0 DAMAGE SHOTS THERE CONSTANTLY. JUST TONIGHT 40 HITS, 35 for NO DAMAGE!! HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THAT WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT PLACES WHERE TRACKS OR VIEW PORTS ARE??  Edited HOW CAN YOU HIT THE BACK OF THE TURRET AND DEAL 0 DAMAGE? I AM TALKING NOT A HALF HIT A FULL ON HIT WITH DAMAGE INDICATOR AND THE MARKS OF A PEN? YOU DANCE THESE ISSUES BETTER THAN A RIVER DANCER IN FULL SWING. ANSWER US STRAIGHT UP FOR ONCE.
Thanks in advance for the ban. I understand its not easy  but someone apparently has to be able to comprehend what is being SAID by More than one person and GET that the TRACKS aren't the only thing being hit.

Metalgold I do apologize but If you don't answer the questions as asked youre going to piss people off. He shows front hits, he shows track hits, BUT never addresses how a T-28 with the 85mm gun can hit a KV in the back of the turret 4 times and do 0 damage all 4 shots. He answers I am too stupid to know if I hit the turret or the tracks so responds only with Track hit probabilities and datum. I am pissed off.

Insulting another player, Flaming, Excessive Capitalization.
Warning issued, 6 hour R/O, post edited for content.
~SgtGrunt

ROFLMFAO  Excessive capitalization? Dude is pissed looks like to me. And no one answers him! But they issue bans when people get pissed at the lack of answers that are pertinent to the questions. Maybe the mods need to get banned every time they ignore people or respond with answers that are not pertinent to the issues. If you police us you have to be 3 times as stringent on the people who are supposed to know.

[twistedspark]

Sadukar09, on Apr 10 2012 - 18:24, said:

Now what I'm betting is this is simply a localization error. I have contacted a NA community manager. He is passing my proposed fix up to the people at Minsk HQ.

My fix simply turns the commander's response into how spaced armour is handled. Spaced armour has two parts, outer and inner. If the outer spaced armour is penetrated, it will leave a gaping hole in the tank. However, if the inner armour is not penetrated, the commander will state "Didn't penetrate" or "Bounced". The message depends on how the shell turned out inside the spaced armour.

With my fix, if a shot hits the tracks, but did not penetrate the side hull armour, the commander will say it didn't penetrate. As opposed to the current "Penetration" for every hit, this will reduce the confusion among the player base.

In all honesty, I prefer the old "Critical Hit" as opposed to "Penetration!".

Saying critical hit isn't lying, because it indicates a module was hit, and the tracks are modules. Responding with "Penetration" is outright lying, since the shell didn't penetrate the tank's hull.

That's why I'm passing it up to the developers a solution on the message fix.

Thanks.  I hope this gets done soon, and "works as intended."  

[RagnarIceblood]

RageHellion, on Apr 20 2012 - 04:28, said:

ROFLMFAO  Excessive capitalization?

Indeed.

RageHellion, on Apr 20 2012 - 04:28, said:

Dude is pissed looks like to me. And no one answers him!

You answered it yourself.
Myself skips posts that writes like that.

RageHellion, on Apr 20 2012 - 04:28, said:

But they issue bans when people get pissed

No, they issue bans when people break forum rules.

RageHellion, on Apr 20 2012 - 04:28, said:

at the lack of answers that are pertinent to the questions.

They issue bans because people dont get answeres? Good one.

RageHellion, on Apr 20 2012 - 04:28, said:

Maybe the mods need to get banned every time they ignore people or respond with answers that are not pertinent to the issues.

Do you even know what a moderator is? Doesn't seem like it.

RageHellion, on Apr 20 2012 - 04:28, said:

If you police us you have to be 3 times as stringent on the people who are supposed to know.

This makes no sense.

[Hirumaru]

RagnarIceblood, on Apr 20 2012 - 08:38, said:

This makes no sense.

Yes, you're right. Overzealous moderation never makes sense.

For your information I have received TWO 30 day forum bans just for asking questions in the Q&A thread. No insults, no swearing, no rules broken as far as anyone could tell. Yet, banned at the whim of the mod who happened to read my post, didn't like my question, and decided to do something about it.

It doesn't make sense when you are treated unfairly. You are right about that. Whether you are bitch-slapped by the mods or bitch-slapped by a zero damage crit. It doesn't make any damn sense.

[Leaddog101]

OK i get "penetration" no damage and i get "that went right through" and get no damage. When i get a penetration and it's right through the front of the hull and i get no damge what is that? I've fired ten rounds into a M10 (I was also in M10) we were facing each other and not moving trading shots and get "penetration" every time for no damage. We were close enough that the recticale set inbetween both tracks. I could see the many holes and was moving my recticale around to get a differant angle to no success. i under stand that their might be a voice problem(fix it). i don't under stand how i hit so many penetrations and that when right throughs and not do any damage. I understand that bounced or ricochet let it say that. not i did damage but no hp. it's driving me crazy.  War gaming i'm waiting on you.