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[99VulcansHammers]

BB_Alphawolf, on May 08 2012 - 20:02, said:

Why not go back to the 8 hit box until you can figure out the 16 hitbox? My thinking is they want you to buy gold ammo to have a chance to damage the tank. The only problem is that people are not going to spend money on it while it is still broke. The poster gave good reasoning, but it does not fit. It is not the "voice", its the hitboxes that are messed up. Fix the game that will bring in money then work on the World of Airplanes. But no, you want to work on the WoA before you fix this game. That is bad business. I enjoy the game, but would like issues like this fixed.

Gold ammo = zero pen hits also, I know, now I pay for zero damage hits

[shynsly]

stahlhelmii, on May 08 2012 - 21:44, said:

No improvement with 7.3 ...  

Mmmm... maybe just my shite luck tonight... but seems not only is there no improvement, it actually seems worse with 7.3. I posted in another thread, took the IS-8 out, the tank I've been looking forward to more then anything else in 7.3... first game, one shotted by arty... my fault... sigh. Second game: 11 shots, 10 hits, exactly ONE did damage, to the back of a Lowe at point blank. Third game, 9 shots... all 9 hit... all 9 either bounced, or were 0% damage "penetrating" shots. This, in a tank equipped with a gun that supposedly has decent damage and basically the best non-gold round penetration in the game. Please, WG... for the love of monkeys... fix your pooh!

[stahlhelmii]

Just finished a gem.  I laid nearly 20 shots (with my Churchill) into the side of a T14 from under 30m and did a whopping 24 total damage.  Didn't even track him.  Eight consecutive zero damage pens, not even a tracking.  I got sniper from all the zero damage pens, but I should have had a kill by the 4th or 5th shot.  Instead, 20 shots on this guy netted 24 damage and death.  What a joke.

Edited by stahlhelmii, May 09 2012 - 04:10.

[DerViktim]

stahlhelmii, on May 09 2012 - 04:09, said:

Just finished a gem.  I laid nearly 20 shots (with my Churchill) into the side of a T14 from under 30m and did a whopping 24 total damage.  Didn't even track him.  Eight consecutive zero damage pens, not even a tracking.  I got sniper from all the zero damage pens, but I should have had a kill by the 4th or 5th shot.  Instead, 20 shots on this guy netted 24 damage and death.  What a joke.

The sides of the T14 have spaced armor. Those metal plates that cover the sides of the tracks are armor, then you have the track, then hull armor. You were most likely getting pen messages for the outer armor skirt, then the shot had energy bleed from the track, then the hull armor bounced the shot. About the only way you can track a tank is by shooting out the main wheel on the front or back of the track. Hitting the general track structure doesn't do anything other than soak up shots. By the way the game works, the most heavily "armored" part of a T14 are the tracks from the side, and since the tank sits so low it is almost all track from that angle.

[stahlhelmii]

DerViktim, on May 09 2012 - 14:22, said:

The sides of the T14 have spaced armor. Those metal plates that cover the sides of the tracks are armor, then you have the track, then hull armor. You were most likely getting pen messages for the outer armor skirt, then the shot had energy bleed from the track, then the hull armor bounced the shot. About the only way you can track a tank is by shooting out the main wheel on the front or back of the track. Hitting the general track structure doesn't do anything other than soak up shots. By the way the game works, the most heavily "armored" part of a T14 are the tracks from the side, and since the tank sits so low it is almost all track from that angle.

Side skirts are applied in sections.  When they take a hit from an anti-tank gun (not talking about modern tanks here), the section hit should have been knocked out/off.  I also got the same effect from hitting the drive sprocket and bottom half of the road wheels.  This doesn't seem like a spaced armor issue to me.  Besides, it keeps happening with tanks with no side skirts at all.

[XenomorphZZ]

stahlhelmii, on May 09 2012 - 15:41, said:

Side skirts are applied in sections.  When they take a hit from an anti-tank gun (not talking about modern tanks here), the section hit should have been knocked out/off.  I also got the same effect from hitting the drive sprocket and bottom half of the road wheels.  This doesn't seem like a spaced armor issue to me.  Besides, it keeps happening with tanks with no side skirts at all.

skirt armor does not degrade/go away in this game.

[JackAlexander]

_{o dmg / pen hits are really becoming frustrating.. I actually counted last night and between 30 to 50% of my pen shots were 0 dmg.. Sometimes I had 3 of them in a row.. Can't these just be removed completly??}

[CzechMonster]

Side skirts and 155mm shell from T30 = "we hit them hard" for 0 damage. Spaced armor working as intended. After all it is ----------->


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[Starzfan]

Now tell me what "enemy hit" and "they're hit" means.. as neither is said when a tank is tracked.. Also, penetration is not said when a tank is tracked.. typically, nothing is said when you track a tank. Just more useless, stupid messages in the game that mean,,,  hey, thank you for firing that gold round, you hit a tank, sorry that we arent going to give you any credit for the shot.  Just dumb.

[Starzfan]

CzechMonster, on May 09 2012 - 19:00, said:

Side skirts and 155mm shell from T30 = "we hit them hard" for 0 damage. Spaced armor working as intended. After all it is ----------->


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You hit them hard, wasted an expensive round, and got no credit for doing any damage.  Its just a crock.. period.  If you do no damage, there should be no message as, I mean, who gives a rats butt if you hit them if it did nothing?????  I certainly dont.

[Starzfan]

JackAlexander, on May 09 2012 - 18:51, said:

_{o dmg / pen hits are really becoming frustrating.. I actually counted last night and between 30 to 50% of my pen shots were 0 dmg.. Sometimes I had 3 of them in a row.. Can't these just be removed completly??}

Useless messages like that should be removed.. As I stated, who cares if you hit a tank if it did nothing????  Its just their way of saying, "thanks for wasting your gold or credits on that shell.. you hit someone, but you get no credit for it"..  gotta love it.

[Starzfan]

99VulcansHammers, on May 09 2012 - 02:41, said:

Gold ammo = zero pen hits also, I know, now I pay for zero damage hits

Hey, they gotta keep the money flowing somehow, right??????

[stahlhelmii]

Ok, this is getting sickening.  My KV-1 vs. another KV-1.  I got over a dozen "hits" that did no noticeable damage to components or personnel ("enemy is hit!" and "penetration!") yet did no damage.  Of course, I get killed even though I killed HIM twice over.  I'm truly tired of this.

[phillipq]

i have had too many times i could rant about having 0 damange shots....so how about one i was on the receiving side of?

there i was sitting in a bush (insert joke of your choice) in my isu-152 next to a hill (one of the new maps, cant remember the name).  an is7 comes around the corner and i drop a shell from my bl10 into his side right at the base of the turret....0 damage.  he turns and puts a shot directly to the left of my gun (i checked for the hole), my screen flashes and no bounce sound but the big i-just-got-nailed sound.  I expect to see half my HP gone, but nothing happened.  not tracked, no damaged module or crew member..nothing.  now dont get me wrong, it was awesome, but a shot from an is7 from 50m into the front of an isu-152 that does nothing is just plain wrong.  i did notice a "WTF???" from him in the chat window afterwards.

[ledhed14]

Thread is a year old.
The only change is the problem is worse.

[crashumbc]

ledhed14, on May 10 2012 - 15:54, said:

Thread is a year old.
The only change is the problem is worse.

wish i had a point for you dear sir, that is a amazingly accurate statement.

[WarStore]

Again.... I just hit a T-50 using my T30...
He continued on his way to spot our arty, like nothing happened.

[99VulcansHammers]

WarStore, on May 11 2012 - 00:04, said:

Again.... I just hit a T-50 using my T30...
He continued on his way to spot our arty, like nothing happened.

A lowe shot my T-50(360 HP) in the rear. The most incredible thing happend...ZERO DAMAGE.
That Lowe driver must have been pissed.
BTW I have had my share of  zero damage hits also

[99VulcansHammers]

shynsly, on May 09 2012 - 03:26, said:

Mmmm... maybe just my shite luck tonight... but seems not only is there no improvement, it actually seems worse with 7.3. I posted in another thread, took the IS-8 out, the tank I've been looking forward to more then anything else in 7.3... first game, one shotted by arty... my fault... sigh. Second game: 11 shots, 10 hits, exactly ONE did damage, to the back of a Lowe at point blank. Third game, 9 shots... all 9 hit... all 9 either bounced, or were 0% damage "penetrating" shots. This, in a tank equipped with a gun that supposedly has decent damage and basically the best non-gold round penetration in the game. Please, WG... for the love of monkeys... fix your pooh!

It has gotten alot worse or players would not have posted over 500 replies to this thread.
How many of us have lost games because of 0% damage, we hit them hard,it went right through,enemy is hit.
Losing a game happens,but when 0% damage hits play a big part in that loss,IT HAS TO BE FIXED

[DestrosFist]

Vorpal, on Oct 17 2011 - 02:07, said:

AND you need to fix the zero damage penetrating hit bug where it's neither a critical hit NOR does it do any damage. It's ruining the game, particularly for high alpha low ROF guns (and certain other guns, like the US heavy tree, seem especially prone to it).

First of all it's inexcusable the bug hasn't been fixed and addressed - but even if that were cleared up, critical hits should simply never, ever, do zero damage. In fact, they should always do the full damage of the shell then *additional* module damage. That additional damage is what makes it a critical hit instead of a normal hit. Doing module damage instead of hp damage on a penetrating hit is always, always worse than doing HP damage unless you hit the ammo rack (twice).

I have lost count of the times I shoot a tank with very low HP, I penetrate, but do ZERO damage and the game cheerfully announces "critical hit!"

That is not a critical hit. That is a useless waste of a shot.

If your shell penetrates the tank, it should do HP damage. End of story. Having enormous caliber shells bouncing around inside the tank without actually causing any damage is simply unrealistic. I realize that perhaps realism is not the primary goal here, so allow me to state it is incredibly unfun, as well.

People who get shot and don't take any damage don't really notice it, so this mechanic isn't making people happy. People who do take the time to line up a good shot on weak flank armor so that it penetrates and then are 'rewarded' with a zero damage hit DO notice and are unhappy. So all this mechanic is really doing is making people frustrated.

Merged with official thread.
|Sadukar09|

Wow I SO agree with this.  I love the Russian tanks and got all three of the new replacement tanks with the 7.3 update and played and was disgusted with the performance of my vehicles, particularly the no damage "hits".  I've actually uninstalled the game as this has ruined it for me.  I used to get tons of kills at almost any tier with the now KV2 107 and find the gun virtually useless now.  Too bad - such a cool game - the only one I play, but I am over it with this issue being so rampant.

And what is with the IS4 starting with a tier 7 gun at tier 10.  I was stoked to finally get a tier 10, but I can't play it unless I want to grind forever just to get the creds (with other tanks since tier 10s big money losers) and experience.

WoT is a really cool game, but certain things, including this issue ruin it for me.  

The door is wide open for some other company to make a better PvP tank game, but I hope WoT fixes the play issues.