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[mysteriousoozelfinch]

I'll volunteer for the last Jumbo or a 76(W) backup.

[Alamode]

mysteriousoozelfinch, on Nov 12 2011 - 01:25, said:

I'll volunteer for the last Jumbo or a 76(W) backup.

woo hoo !!!!

first full game in NA historical battles history  

now don't forget people to show up!

[Gaea]

Tobias91, on Nov 11 2011 - 23:58, said:

May I personally say thank you to the devs for broadcasting this whole idea out to the WoT Universe. I myself have have been broadcasting this to all of the AOD guys but unless ppl look nobody will ever know about this. I am just happy the the devs have done this

We had been thinking about it for a while. Hope all goes well with the increased amount of people interested!

[mysteriousoozelfinch]

If I can find it!  Where's the match take place?

[F34rmen00bz]

mysteriousoozelfinch, on Nov 12 2011 - 01:35, said:

If I can find it!  Where's the match take place?

In the training room section, look for either my name or Alamode's

[mysteriousoozelfinch]

That's what I thought; all I have is 'team training' in the menu.

[Space_Cadet]

yea thats wat i meant if ur sure mate

[Merc117]

Pershing sign up

[Jen_EU]

Glad you got a full roster, this battle is really dependent on the numbers.
Have fun everyone.

ps: German side, come on, pick up a win  

[Bunnysmack]

Would like to bring a Tiger II if there is still room.

[A1x2e3l]

What is so historical in this “historical” battle?

1. Twenty Pershings that saw combat during WW2 in Europe were assigned to the 3rd Armored Division (32th and 33th armored regiments, one tank per company) and 9th Armored Division (14th (5 tanks in company A) and 19th (1-2 tanks per company) tank battalions). 3d Armored Division took active part in the Ruhr Pocket (Ruhrkessel) battles, but 9th Armored Division only assisted in the closing of it.
You have 4(!) Pershings out of 15 vehicles? BTW this 46.2 tons combat weight tank was considered as a heavy one at that time.

2. In March-April 1945 (time of the battle) the percentage of US tanks equipped with 76mm guns (vs. 75mm guns) was 38-44.
ALL you American tanks have 76mm guns (or bigger).

3. Jagdtigers operated exactly in the Ruhr Pocket.
You have none in the German team.

See, e.g. (I definitely like to see your references for this "recreation"):

“Pershing. A history of the medium tank T20 series” by R. Hunnicutt.

“Late war US tanks. The Pershing, Chaffee and M40 SPG” by D. Doyle.

“Battle for the Ruhr: The German Army's Final Defeat in the West” by D. Zumbro.

“US armored divisions: the European theater of operations, 1944-45” by S. Zaloga.


You can “balance” your games as you want, but, please, do not misuse historical names. This could be an interesting for some players game but it has nothing to do with the historical events in the Ruhr pocket.


Side remark: the chosen map is one of the most difficult for WoT (and real) German tanks. There are many towns in Ruhrgebiet but I do not think that Ruinberg map is a good approximation of this historical battlefield (German tanks/TDs were used mainly out of towns for defending important roads).

[ZorinWarfield]

A1x2e3l, on Nov 12 2011 - 03:07, said:

What is so historical in this “historical” battle?

1. Twenty Pershings that saw combat during WW2 in Europe were assigned to the 3rd Armored Division (32th and 33th armored regiments, one tank per company) and 9th Armored Division (14th (5 tanks in company A) and 19th (1-2 tanks per company) tank battalions). 3d Armored Division took active part in the Ruhr Pocket (Ruhrkessel) battles, but 9th Armored Division only assisted in the closing of it.
You have 4(!) Pershings out of 15 vehicles? BTW this 46.2 tons combat weight tank was considered as a heavy one at that time.

2. In March-April 1945 (time of the battle) the percentage of US tanks equipped with 76mm guns (vs. 75mm guns) was 38-44.
ALL you American tanks have 76mm guns (or bigger).

3. Jagdtigers operated exactly in the Ruhr Pocket.
You have none in the German team.

See, e.g. (I definitely like to see your references for this "recreation"):

“Pershing. A history of the medium tank T20 series” by R. Hunnicutt.

“Late war US tanks. The Pershing, Chaffee and M40 SPG” by D. Doyle.

“Battle for the Ruhr: The German Army's Final Defeat in the West” by D. Zumbro.

“US armored divisions: the European theater of operations, 1944-45” by S. Zaloga.


You can “balance” your games as you want, but, please, do not misuse historical names. This could be an interesting for some players game but it has nothing to do with the historical events in the Ruhr pocket.


Side remark: the chosen map is one of the most difficult for WoT (and real) German tanks. There are many towns in Ruhrgebiet but I do not think that Ruinberg map is a good approximation of this historical battlefield (German tanks/TDs were used mainly out of towns for defending important roads).

We will call the battles what we like and will always call upon historical events as our settings, simply because we try to mimic them with what WG gave us.

But there is one massive elephant in the corner and that one is called balance. Simple as that. After 45+ missions we know what works in the WoT environment and what does not. I would love these battles to be 150% faithful recreations of actual events, but given certain choices by WG this is not possible, so we have to cut some corners to make due.

I appreacite your input, but you better point it at WG and not us.

[cheesellama]

Congrats one and all, fully filled up, a rare accomplishment, if it were possible to +1 you all then I would but even if I had some I wouldn't have enough for ya'll.

[Tydilforce]

They do no it was renamed the Rose pocket after General Rose who was killed by a German soldier while trying to remove his gun belt under gun point

[LuckyLuke]

I'd like to sign up for either Tiger 2, Slugger, or Pershing.

This is the first time I have a chance to participate  

[wheeled_tank]

shouldn't there be Pz IVs too

[LuckyLuke]

OMG.. I just realized that my tanks are fully mounted with permanent modules...

Hopefully there would be other events which allow me to participate regardless the modules onboard my tanks.

[F34rmen00bz]

LuckyLuke, on Nov 12 2011 - 05:53, said:

OMG.. I just realized that my tanks are fully mounted with permanent modules...

Hopefully there would be other events which allow me to participate regardless the modules onboard my tanks.

Read the rules a little more closely

Says no temporary modules, not permanant

[B_Gras]

Great, we're ready to roll! (I hope the American team won't lose, or it won't be historical )

[biochembri]

I would like to join the game.  It looks as though it is full.  Can I be put on backup with a panther?

Brian