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Poll: Should the 75mm/L100 be replaced with a (14 members have cast votes)

Would you like to see

  1. 88m/L71 on Panther with reduced ROF (5 votes [35.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  2. 88mm/L56 on Panther with reduced Rof but more penetration (9 votes [64.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

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Orinana #1 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 19:26

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HI WOT

I would like to see what players think with regards to the 75mm/L100 for the Panther versus the 88mm/L56 and 88mm/L70

rene

DeathBacon #2 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 19:34

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I like how you don't give an option for "Leave the 88mm L/56 alone because the 75L/100 is the better weapon on that Panther it and doesn't need to be changed."

DeathBacon #3 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 19:36

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Also this should be moved to German Medium Tanks subforum.

Whyan #4 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 19:38

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Sticking the L71 on the panther will completely make the tiger useless.

cybort #5 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 20:32

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View PostDeathBacon, on Nov 09 2011 - 19:34, said:

I like how you don't give an option for "Leave the 88mm L/56 alone because the 75L/100 is the better weapon on that Panther it and doesn't need to be changed."

This. Loaded options for a poll means you KNOW your idea is terrible.

Orinana #6 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 20:51

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View Postcybort, on Nov 09 2011 - 20:32, said:

This. Loaded options for a poll means you KNOW your idea is terrible.

I dont think its a terrible idea..there are more threads on the 88mm/L56 than any other gun (see the thread under game play discussion on Just what can the 88mmL56 do? There seems to be a general agreement that its underpowered somewhat--but the game devs are not going to give you a free lunch..if you want more pen than you have to give something up (rof seems the logical choice)..finally someone posted on a similar thread that the 88mm/L56 will get more DPM up to 240 but a reduced rate of fire in patch 7.0 (I think the info came from the ru-server..)

And yes I have load the poll (guilty as charged!). The point of a poll is to see if there is enough support for some kind of change as in improvement-why have a poll that maintains the staus quo?

cybort #7 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 20:54

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View PostOrinana, on Nov 09 2011 - 20:51, said:

I dont think its a terrible idea..theres more threads on the 88mm/L56 than any other gun ([b]see the thread under game play discussion on Just what can the 88mmL56 do?[/b]) There seems to be a general agreement that its underpowered somewhat--but the game devs are not going to give you a free lunch..if you want more pen than you have to give something up (rof seems the logical choice)..finally someone posted on a similar thread that the 88mm/L56 will get more DPM up to 240 but a reduced rate of fire in patch 7.0 (I think the info came from the ru-server..)

The point of a poll is to see if there is enough support for some kind of change as in improvement-why have a poll that maintains the staus quo?

Because the 88/56 is a fine gun on most of its platforms and only underperforms slightly on the Tiger and JagdPz4, and logically only needs a minor pen. buff on those two tanks. On any of thee VK series, the gun is incredible.

The fact you dont have an option against your "Suggestions" means you dont care what people think unless they agree with you. You dont want to hear counter arguements, and I can only conclude that means you feel your arguement is weak.

inphinity #8 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 21:47

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I really don't think it needs a change. It already has the best penetration and accuracy by MILES of the Tier7 meds (198 vs 175 / 160 pen and 0.28 vs 0.33 and 0.37 acc), and it's DPM is actually comparable to the others thanks to high RoF.

MisterLemons #9 Posted Nov 09 2011 - 22:12

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4 second reload, unbelieveable accuracy, and enough penitration to deal with anything (A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G) that may cross your path, toped off with dirt cheap ammo.

If youre using the 88, youre doing it wrong...

Mr_Diadochi #10 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 11:38

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No option to leave things as they are? Disappointing, as that would of been my vote.

Thompson153 #11 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 15:29

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Uh, why not leave the 75 on the Panther? I would like to remind you that the Panther II uses the 88, and if the Panther gets it, it will make the Panther II obsolete.

Your poll has also been loaded, meaning you do not care about others opinions and that you only want to hear what you want. If you would like a valid suggestion, then please make the poll unbiased.

panzerwagoneer #12 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 15:51

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I would rather the 88 L56 JUST get more pen, no ROF or accuracy or aim time nerfs, just pen increase. Its pen is just too low, any compromise defeats the purpose of the buff. This idea that we should have to give something up just so we can convince the devs to fix a problem that never should have been a problem is a sign of how whipped and cowed we as the player base have become. You can't fix a problem by exchanging it for another, sometimes a straight buff is the way to go, this is one of those times.

LordYinYang #13 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 18:24

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So what exactly is wrong with the 75 L/100 gun?

Damage has never been an issue if I've been keep this tank out of harm's way.
Accuracy makes this thing a scalpel, aim your shots well to deal not only hp damage but performance damage.
Rate of Fire allows for quick hits to a target that has been disabled.

Besides as others have mentioned, Panther with the 88 L/70 becomes a extremely mobile Tiger, the purposes for the Tiger would be to grind for the King Tiger on words to maybe the E series, or act as a damage sponge if the Tiger didn't get anything else.  I'm sorry to say, the 88 L/70 is a bit too overpowered for a tier 7 medium.

lostwingman #14 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 18:32

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OP, 75L100 is bloody brilliant.

I love the gun, every battle I have had in the Panther since I got the gun is a blast.

Even in tier 9 games I can ravage the enemy and it is so fun.

Just because you and others can't handle not having an alpha gun doesn't mean the rest of us need to gimp on that.

Although....ROF INCREASE FOR 75L100!!!   :Smile-playing:




Yea, that would be fun   :Smile_great:



lostwingman #15 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 18:36

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View PostOrinana, on Nov 09 2011 - 20:51, said:

I dont think its a terrible idea..there are more threads on the 88mm/L56 than any other gun (see the thread under game play discussion on Just what can the 88mmL56 do? There seems to be a general agreement that its underpowered somewhat--but the game devs are not going to give you a free lunch..if you want more pen than you have to give something up (rof seems the logical choice)..finally someone posted on a similar thread that the 88mm/L56 will get more DPM up to 240 but a reduced rate of fire in patch 7.0 (I think the info came from the ru-server..)

And yes I have load the poll (guilty as charged!). The point of a poll is to see if there is enough support for some kind of change as in improvement-why have a poll that maintains the staus quo?

Only the 88L71 is getting the damage buff up to the 88L100's damage amount.


Hopefully this means they are considering giving the 88L56 a bit of love as well down the line.



2Zons #16 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 20:24

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This is a very absurd suggestion (and loaded poll).  The Panther already has the best gun out of all the tier VII Meds.  It's the only tier  VII medium with a tier VIII gun.  And the gun totally rocks.  It's right in line with German playstyle (Long range sniping).  I love my Panther since 6.7.  I prefer playing it to my E-50 (although it's pretty nice too).  I wish there were tier restrictions in clan wars so I could use it there.

There is no need to change the guns on the Panther.  You should definately have one option on your poll reflecting this choice to really see what people think.

Troika #17 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 21:08

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Panther is fine as it is. The L/100 is an excellent gun.