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Monty_Droppings #1 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 02:15

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This gun just sounds like fun, automatic 37mm fire? sign me up... 40mm of penetration.... errrr. The penetration of this gun is lacking... I plan to put one on for arty hunting purposes, and possibly some anti-scout play, i plan to mount this on my T50, and my T50-2 when i eventually unlock it. I was just wondering if anyone could figure out when the HE round has no effect, and i mean 0 Damage. I understand the round will penetrate 19mm, then the armor will absorb the blast, but i am unsure how much or how little.

Could someone figure out the effects of the HE round from this gun against armor of the following thicknesses? 20mm/40/60mm/100mm

Thanks alot if anyone figures this out, happy hunting!

Benco97 #2 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 02:30

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Low calibre High Explosive shells are largely pointless as even moderate armour can and will absorb 100% of the damage dealt.
I would strongly suggest using Armour Penetrating shells in that weapon and choosing your targets well.

Also, it isn't fully automatic, it fires in short bursts then reloads. A fun weapon.

Monty_Droppings #3 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 02:34

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View PostBenco97, on Nov 10 2011 - 02:30, said:

Low calibre High Explosive shells are largely pointless as even moderate armour can and will absorb 100% of the damage dealt.
I would strongly suggest using Armour Penetrating shells in that weapon and choosing your targets well.

Also, it isn't fully automatic, it fires in short bursts then reloads. A fun weapon.
ok, thanks, you just saved me alot of pain, i was about to load up fully with HE rounds... yikes... do you know the specifics?

IM0001 #4 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 02:40

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Yes just use AP unless you have tier 2 or lower tanks (I keep a few rounds handy just incase). The gun has pretty good pen and actually is my primary gun on my T-50. It is great in that if one hit doesn't pen, you have a few other shots in the burst that may. I have a lot of fun with it.

KiwiMark67 #5 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 03:25

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I used it in my T-50, but there are better choices for the T-50-2 to use.  I like the 57mm ZiS-4 gun because it has 112mm penetration and you will find yourself in a battle with tier 8 arty to kill.  There are arty with 60mm armour on the rear & sides and the 112mm penetration on the 57mm lets you kill them if you have time to get enough shots in.  The 24 rounds per minute is also faster than the 37mm can do (approx 16 bursts of 3 shots per minute).

GonTo30 #6 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 03:26

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View PostKiwiMark67, on Nov 10 2011 - 03:25, said:

I used it in my T-50, but there are better choices for the T-50-2 to use.  I like the 57mm ZiS-4 gun because it has 112mm penetration and you will find yourself in a battle with tier 8 arty to kill.  There are arty with 60mm armour on the rear & sides and the 112mm penetration on the 57mm lets you kill them if you have time to get enough shots in.  The 24 rounds per minute is also faster than the 37mm can do (approx 16 bursts of 3 shots per minute).

Could of sworn the 57mm Zis 4 gun fired 30 rounds per minute.

ShivaX #7 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 03:41

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View PostGonTo30, on Nov 10 2011 - 03:26, said:

Could of sworn the 57mm Zis 4 gun fired 30 rounds per minute.
Might fire slower on a smaller turret.

Shackram #8 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 04:40

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It could be a fun gun, but it's about useless against most things that are higher than tier 3.

KiwiMark67 #9 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 04:47

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View PostGonTo30, on Nov 10 2011 - 03:26, said:

Could of sworn the 57mm Zis 4 gun fired 30 rounds per minute.

If I look at the characteristics of the gun it says 20-30, on my T-50-2 it says 24 so maybe on a different tank it would say 30.

Troika #10 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 05:04

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This gun's designed for use on aircraft. 40mm of pen there is plenty. :)

tanks4cats #11 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 05:40

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View PostTroika, on Nov 10 2011 - 05:04, said:

This gun's designed for use on aircraft. 40mm of pen there is plenty. :)

There's several good books on the subject you should check out before simply making a novice posting.

HOTA_CHATON #12 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 06:14

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I use the 57MM, on my T50 and it is awesome.  Takes a while to learn how to settle down and use it properly.  When you are used to the rapid 5 bang per trigger pull of
an auto cannon, it takes you a while to get over it.  If you plan on keeping the T-50 or T-50-2 around for a while, get the 57MM then: Vent it, Spawl it, Ram it, and
then that other one that speeds up the turret.  All that is expensive but will help you compete with the big dogs.  Sometimes camo will help but notmuch unless you
want to snipe, mostly.

supershutze #13 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 06:55

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View PostTroika, on Nov 10 2011 - 05:04, said:

This gun's designed for use on aircraft. 40mm of pen there is plenty. :)


View Posttanks4cats, on Nov 10 2011 - 05:40, said:

There's several good books on the subject you should check out before simply making a novice posting.


He's right though. That 37mm gun is a modified version of the 37mm autocannon mounted on versions on the Ilyushin Il-2 ground attack aircraft, for use against the thin top armor of tanks, lightly armored vehicles, and large aircraft such as bombers. Interesting seeing the term "novice posting" coming from someone with one post  :Smile_harp:

KiwiMark67 #14 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 09:19

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View PostHOTA_CHATON, on Nov 10 2011 - 06:14, said:

Vent it, Spawl it, Ram it, and

It's a scout - I like the coated optics in 1 of my equipment slots.

destruya #15 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 10:11

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T-50-2 equipment should be vents, optics, net, with the 57mm.  Putting a rammer and spall liner on it is a waste of two slots.  Some even go so far as to mix optics with binocs to maximize stationary view range, but seeing as you shouldn't be still for ONE second in a T-50, let alone six, a net is a better use of the slot.

The 37mm might be the lightest gun, but it also does absolutely nothing to anything over T5.

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View PostMonty_Droppings, on Nov 10 2011 - 02:15, said:

Could someone figure out the effects of the HE round from this gun against armor of the following thicknesses? 20mm/40/60mm/100mm
Look at it this way: All HE ammo does half damage everytime you pull the trigger.  The pennetration value of HE ammo is so low on every gun in game vs AP, that regardless of what you shoot it at its going to half damage.  Even tier 2 tanks like the PzII has 30mm armor on the front to deflect the 37mm HE (19 pen / 50 damage), so its only doing half damage on average and the shell is actually 19 pen / 25 damage where as the AP round of the 37mm is 46pen / 40 damage regardless of which side it hits (in a full burst and all shots hit, which do you think is more powerful?  :Smile-playing: AP of course).  If you manage to get to the rear of the PzII, then you will be hitting for full damage with the HE but 1 tier up and even the PzIII will be bouncing most of your shots.  Always go with the highest pen gun when possible unless you got a really powerful HE thrower like the 152mm on the KV or artillery, you will get paid more if you manage to damage someone vs wasting time bouncing shots and getting yourself killed for nothing.

tgoat #17 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 15:21

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37 mm automatic SH-37
40/40/50(HP)
46/62/19(mm)

Final Damage Done by HE shell if it doesn't penetrate= (Shell Damage l / 2) * (1 - Distance / Splash Radius) - Armor Thickness * 1.3 * Spall Coefficient

0=(50/2)*1 - X*1.3*1
0= 25 - 1.3X
1.3X=25
X=25/1.3
X=19

So... doing the math it looks like any tank with more than 19mm will take no damage from the 37mm Automatic SH-37 HE shell.

In the high tier games the only tanks with 19mm or less armor on the back are all American SPGs, German SPGs up to the Hummel, and Soviet SPGs up to the SU-8.

You will be much much better off with the Zis4 since it will be able to do AP damage to not only the sides of many SPGs, but also the the sides and backs of other tanks.

The SH-37 can be fun at the low low tiers, but it is not very useful against tier 4 and up tanks.

Berserk_SAM #18 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 16:49

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View Postdestruya, on Nov 10 2011 - 10:11, said:

T-50-2 equipment should be vents, optics, net, with the 57mm.  Putting a rammer and spall liner on it is a waste of two slots.  Some even go so far as to mix optics with binocs to maximize stationary view range, but seeing as you shouldn't be still for ONE second in a T-50, let alone six, a net is a better use of the slot.

Of course the camo net requires 6 seconds stationary to come into effect too...

KiwiMark67 #19 Posted Nov 10 2011 - 20:54

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View PostBerserk_SAM, on Nov 10 2011 - 16:49, said:

Of course the camo net requires 6 seconds stationary to come into effect too...

I was thinking that - that's why I don't use the binocs or the camo net.

At the moment I use the coated optics and the vents.  I've been thinking about the 3rd slot but in the mean time I'm using a toolbox - it has saved my life a few times.  Sometimes you get shot & tracked, but are lucky enough to only be the target of 1 enemy heavy that has a 10+ second reload time, repairing and getting the hell out of there before he reloads is pretty useful in my experience.  I also have over 60% repair skill on my crew for the same reason.

If I did the stationary scout thing more then I'd probably have chosen the camo skill for the crew and mounted binocs, still keeping the vents & coated optics.  I like that setup more than the camo net because the binocs would give a bigger benefit - 420m view range +10% for coated optics = 462m view range, add 25% when stationary and you get 577.5m which is pretty impressive.  Of course the game doesn't let you see quite that far, but the longer your view range the greater distance you can  detect hidden units at.