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Arkhell #61 Posted Nov 12 2010 - 10:13

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seems they lowered random pen value this patch getting penetraion reliably with short 88 on the jagdIV allthough i had like 5 bounces on the back of an IS yesterday while i was shooting downwords for a mountain... first i shot him from 100 - 50% no problem he wen't behind a building came back out at 4% so was like weee free kill 5 hit's 5 dings and or no dmg shots (not tracked) was like hmmm strange. but the rest of all the shots that round were awsome didn't bounce as much as normal :)

Overlord #62 Posted Nov 12 2010 - 11:47

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View PostGrimvirus, on Nov 10 2010 - 08:46, said:

Overlord,

Would there be an easy explanation for these disappearing rounds?

This issue should be fixed in 0.6.1.5. Mostly.

BallsOFSteel #63 Posted Nov 12 2010 - 23:58

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I shot a T-29 3 times front turret on green area with an HE from stock ISU-152 "we hit them hard" no damage and still 100% after 3 shots.

Flintwikk #64 Posted Nov 13 2010 - 07:15

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I am having alot of trouble with the 76mm on the T1 heavy.H.E rounds don't work with it on higher tier tanks,they just bounce,alot of icochet's on mediums mainly the Vk series when using A.P.

Cheekything #65 Posted Nov 13 2010 - 23:45

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I just had an odd round where I shot 3 people with my KV and the stupid big slow gun (150mm M-10) and I shot and hit a medium and T1 heavy square on and did 0 damage but I killed their tracks.

I've been reading this post here but I thought I'd mention that it's still happening.

cptbradley #66 Posted Nov 15 2010 - 02:10

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Shot at a Kingtiger with my own Kingtiger, using the 105mm L/68, shot AP first, penetrated 0 dmg. Shot Premium AP next, penetrated 0 dmg. Shot one more time, 0 dmg.

OmegaAngel #67 Posted Nov 15 2010 - 14:08

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Constantly observing "shot success" but no damage on the enemy armor.   Has been happening constantly in my Jagdtiger vs IS-X's tanks.  Will gather evidence soon, however others have been seeing this as well in regards Versus IS-X's tanks.

Bellzybub #68 Posted Nov 15 2010 - 14:54

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I get alot of same myself but one inparticular i recall was a shot to the side of an A-20, not moving i mine you, with an IS-7, " We did'nt penetrate his armor" WHAT? That shell should have not only blown his tank up but also kept going and blown up the family grocery getter aswell.
Makes me think the damage system, whathaveyou, is on some sort of pinwheel....You fire....It spins.....and when it hits the pinwheel stops and this is what you get....

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VonRiff #69 Posted Nov 18 2010 - 22:38

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Getting a lot of "bounce" shots myself and mostly after last patch.
Even in a T44 what took 1 shot to kill a Hummel now takes 2 to 3 shots Mmmmm
And more then ever shots that do not penetrat at all even HE shots don't do the damage they use too.

Herethos #70 Posted Nov 20 2010 - 13:46

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Something seems off with the T-29 tank all my shots bounce, or just goes poof on it for no damage i.e no bounce, ricochet, the gun I use has 225 avg penetration and the T-29 has armor that is no where close.

Chillin1248 #71 Posted Nov 21 2010 - 02:39

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I can confirm that the T-29 has something very screwy with its front armor.

Using a 105mm KT, I shot an AP point blank into the front hull and it bounced, next I shot the gun and again, no damage. Third shot finally went through the side for no damage.   <_<

Each of his shots penetrated my front hull armor.

JeanneAlter #72 Posted Nov 23 2010 - 10:57

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Jagdtiger and King Tiger have a bug in their model wherein the hole where the main gun sticks out has 0 armor and can be penetrated for full damage most of the time.

Iteration616 #73 Posted Nov 23 2010 - 14:40

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Last night in my T34-85 with the long 85mm cannon, shot an IS-4 three times with AP ammo. First at 90 degrees from roughly 200 to 250 meters, then twice at roughly 40-45 degrees at 100 meters or so.
All connected and penetrated ("That went right through, blahblahblah"), for absolutely no damage. No critical hit messages either.

Looking at this thread I'm glad (sort of) that I'm not alone. Apparently there's something funky with penetration and damage, too, especially with the IS-series. (Besides the known problems with the invisitanks.)

Ninjaedit: I hit the IS-4's right side with all shots, right about middle of the tank, roughly at the top of track or slightly above.

JeanneAlter #74 Posted Nov 24 2010 - 03:34

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I shot an M4 Sherman right in the side with an AP round from my King Tiger's 10.5cm L/68 and it bounced.

Herethos #75 Posted Nov 25 2010 - 14:36

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Yeah it seems the 10.5cm gun is bugged I was using the KwK46/L68, and it bounces very often, I just tried the stock 8.8 and had no problems penetrating a T-29 in the front hull armor multiple hits with not a single bounce. While the 10.5 would most likely have say 4 shells bounce or going through, critical hit, we get them etc doing 0 dmg and 1 go thru with dmg, and the shells aren't exactly cost effective if they keep bouncing that often considering close to 30k goes to replenish ammo and like 16k to repair the Tiger 2...

JeanneAlter #76 Posted Nov 26 2010 - 02:59

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Oh, come on, even in a good round you won't usually go through 30 10.5cm shells.

JeanneAlter #77 Posted Nov 26 2010 - 05:39

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Had my 10.5cm L/68 bounce off the side of an M6. He was slightly uphill from me but not enough to cause a golden deflection angle.

Herethos #78 Posted Nov 26 2010 - 19:24

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Had a shot on a Jagdpanther in the side today, and guess what 0 dmg with the 10.5cm L/68. I'm starting to think the shells just go through whole tanks for no damage. Or client sees hit but server does not.


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Oh, come on, even in a good round you won't usually go through 30 10.5cm shells.

(I had maybe 2-4 HE shells left I had used up all AP rounds, I load 18 AP & 18 HE) Had like 26 hits on tanks, got top gun and sniper so it was atleast 6 kills.

ThaRipper #79 Posted Nov 28 2010 - 07:26

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seeing this a lot especially on the t1 with HE rounds. Get the white hit indicator with a critical hit sound clip or we hit em hard sound clip and at the end of match will show no damage to any tanks. usually with little xp as well. I would assume module damage and get credit it for it somehow but usually nothing.

DogTeeth #80 Posted Nov 28 2010 - 18:52

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I have a IS3, gunned with a D-25T 122MM just had an encounter with an indestructible T-32

Range 10-15 metres

1 shot, front glacis plate 'ding'
2 shot side hull 'bounced'
3 shot rear hull 'ricochet'

This and in the meantime he killed an upgunnned Ferdinand at the same ranges stated above.
Ferdinand had at least 3 shots that I saw, all did no damage.

If anyone would care to explain what that is all about I will go get cookies and milk, sit cross legged and listen to your intresting explanation.




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