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DogTeeth #81 Posted Nov 28 2010 - 20:01

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And again, T32-

Ferdinand 126mm 4 shots, hummel 1 shot, IS3 122m 1 x AP and 3x HE used and a Tiger 2 with a 4X 105mm AP all failed to kill a T32 at ranges of 10 to 30 metres.

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He was at 1% health for three quarters of the fight.

Google hacks?

fanttis #82 Posted Nov 28 2010 - 22:59

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Shooter: IS3 with D-25T AP.
Supposed victim: SU-85 @ 33%, rear to the shooter. Both tanks on same ground level. Distance about 10-40m.
Shooting point: I think upper part or the back.
Noise: Normal noise, which comes from dealing damage to an enemy. No dings.
Outcome: Nothing happened. Which was nice.

This surely isn't the only weird thing that this cannon has done to me, but this one just made me stun for a while.

LordRaider #83 Posted Nov 29 2010 - 03:30

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What's happening to damage after the new patch? i have my is with the best gun it can equip, and i shot one t-34 at only 23%, the shell hitted it but only got tracked? HOW CAN BE THAT POSSIBLE? are those tracks made from kevlar and maybe got some nannites fixing them while my shell dissapear? or what? Please i know this is a beta and the devs are putting a lot of love in this game, im sure of that, but this bug just cant be possible, in a game, in real life, in fiction, whatever. It's a new kind of bouncing, ricochet? Just to hit tracks and NO DAMAGE AT ALL? Insane.  :angry:

m938nek #84 Posted Dec 03 2010 - 13:56

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I have 2 unscreenable examples, both happened on my IS-3 with 100mm D10T gun, using AP ammo:

1) shooting T32 to the tracks - 3 hits, three times reported critical damage, but damaging tank for 0% and leaving it's tracks functional. So either i damaged really only tracks, but it didn't take it out, or i damaged something inside too, which is more probable (maybe engine). In that case, it's wrong that i did 0% damage while i penetrated; if not, it's wrong that it's tracks remained functional.

2) combat with M6 - i did 20% damage on initial "meeting shot" from it's front and then we "passed by" and we shot our sides, resulting in 10% damage per shot to him. Minimal damage of penetrating shots on ap is 173 written on the ammo. I strongly doubt that M6 has 1730 hp. Plus it damaged me for around 25% (~450 hp) with it's each shot.

edit: it repeats over and over again when i shoot t29 or t32 that it damages it for 0% wherever i hit it (from about 25 shots only 5-7 dinged, rest was 0% damage penetrations and criticals)

tntAoL #85 Posted Dec 03 2010 - 19:46

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It seems more and more that T29 players are aware of front armour bug in t29 cuz almost every time I meet 1 with my elite King tiger they drive straight for me standing at point blank. Both firing and me hearing critical hit report and seeing 0 dmg while they slowly grinding me to death.

Happened to me 11 times so far and counting...
Will start taking screen shots from now on.

AtR #86 Posted Dec 04 2010 - 21:52

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I've not taken a screenshot but I was fighting an IS7 with my IS7 and I had premium ammo loaded, the lowest penetration value on the round is more than 210 which is IS7 turrets armor, I shot to the left of the gun at about 15 meter range and it said "We didn't penetrate their armor."

Sarpadeon #87 Posted Dec 06 2010 - 22:04

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KV-2 turret has a gun mantlet with an armor value in excess of 250mm(red to the 8.8L71 with AP ammo)

attached is a screenshot of a Jagdpanther armed with the 8.8L71 and AP ammo aimed at the mantlet of a KV-2 turret. I tested 5 shots all of which replied with "It Bounced Off!" or "We Just Dinged Them!" when shot directly at the gun or the visible mantlet surrounding the gun.

        
        

m938nek #88 Posted Dec 09 2010 - 19:19

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View PostAtR, on Dec 04 2010 - 21:52, said:

I've not taken a screenshot but I was fighting an IS7 with my IS7 and I had premium ammo loaded, the lowest penetration value on the round is more than 210 which is IS7 turrets armor, I shot to the left of the gun at about 15 meter range and it said "We didn't penetrate their armor."

Did you take slope into account?

Rumbaugh #89 Posted Dec 14 2010 - 01:11

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I'm having a lot of rounds both AP and HE do nothing. Direct shots and no indication that they hit. it's like they just disappear. Also am starting to have HE rounds "bounce" which is wrong since HE explodes on contact.

Rumbaugh #90 Posted Dec 16 2010 - 00:18

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Just shot an SU-5 SPG head on roughly 300ft away (city block) twice with AP rounds from a Pnzkf IV 75mm gun (106mm penetration). Got the acknowledged hits. (I was around the corner and he missed twice) He remained at 100% and killed me with 1 shot.

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Just shot a BT-7 point blank in an M37 w/ 105M4 and only damaged. (so it said after i died) Visually, he never went below 100%.

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In a Stug III (350 hit pts) 107mm. Head on with a Hetzer (270 hit pts) same 107mm gun. I fired first got 80% damage. He fired and killed me. I had now previous damage.

m938nek #91 Posted Dec 17 2010 - 15:13

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View PostRumbaugh, on Dec 14 2010 - 01:11, said:

I'm having a lot of rounds both AP and HE do nothing. Direct shots and no indication that they hit. it's like they just disappear. Also am starting to have HE rounds "bounce" which is wrong since HE explodes on contact.

Right, my HE shots began to bounce a lot too, not only from high-sloped contacts. When you hit lee directly to upper part of it's front hull with he, it should not bounce, lol (just an example)

m938nek #92 Posted Dec 17 2010 - 15:15

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View PostRumbaugh, on Dec 16 2010 - 00:18, said:

Just shot an SU-5 SPG head on roughly 300ft away (city block) twice with AP rounds from a Pnzkf IV 75mm gun (106mm penetration). Got the acknowledged hits. (I was around the corner and he missed twice) He remained at 100% and killed me with 1 shot.

Just happened to me on hummel, i hit if from the back (without seeing it's tracks over hill) with ap in IS for no damage too, altho i heard the penetration indication and it blinked white.

Edit: also when you hit some really paper-tank with nasty gun from side, 90% chance is that you will take out only his tracks (remaining 10% is that you missfire for it's turret), where in real you'd penetrate it through and through twice.

Rumbaugh #93 Posted Dec 19 2010 - 02:59

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Was just in a T1 (75mm) and hit a Luchs 3 times and didn't kill him. Twice from the side.

m938nek #94 Posted Dec 19 2010 - 12:16

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My tank, t1 heavy; enemy tiger2, distance 100 meters, my ammo HE. 8 shots (4 to turret from front, 4 to his side - 2 of that possibly went to engine area) - all dinged.... how is that possible with HE?

LeoPhone #95 Posted Dec 20 2010 - 20:19

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Earlier today I met a T29 in battle on lakeville, west mountain valley. I was driving an IS-4 with the upgraded turret and the 122mm BL-9 gun. I fired an AP round on the T29's turret at the moment the distance between us was about the lenght of 3-4 tanks.
The shell hit the turret at a 90 degree angle (so straight, non sloped, etc).
The shell has a penetration of 169-281mm.
The T29's turret front armor has a thickness of 178mm (upgraded or not)
The shell bounced.

A very small chanse that would have happened, but whatever. bad luck. lets continue.

The IS-4 now loaded an APCR round.
the APCR round has a penetration of 199-331. Easy strong enough to penetrate a 178mm (at point blank range)
The APCR round bounced off.

How is this possible?


And meanwhile, how is it possible that the T29 penetrates the sloped 160mm front armor of the IS4 with ease? (lets presume he didnt hit the turret, i didnt check)
The starters gun of the t29 has 128mm penetration, 178 if he buys APCR. neither is close to being powerful enough to penetrate the is-4s sloped armor you would say.
the other gun the t29 could possibly have used(he didnt use the 105mm) has a penetration of 160mm. again, impossible to penetrate an is-4 with. the only option remaining what could have penetrated was an APCR round of the upgraded gun. very rare to get hit by that twice in a row. A tank two tiers lower, outmatching an (upgraded) IS-4.

ArekuD #96 Posted Dec 20 2010 - 20:53

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Where to begin...........
I got 88 L 71 shells bounce of  a Pz 3A on many occasions, when it should have been a direct hit from the front.
              7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 score hits that seem to do no damage( i get the clink sound and crew message).
  The US              76mm Gun M1A1 &A2 bonce and riches off anything sloped ( from A20 to IS-es)
But it seems that ricochets happen way to often on small vehicles ( sloped or not   ).
As for penetration its pretty erratic, no obvious patterns there (luck more than anything).

ArekuD #97 Posted Dec 20 2010 - 21:01

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View PostLeoPhone, on Dec 20 2010 - 20:19, said:

Earlier today I met a T29 in battle on lakeville, west mountain valley. I was driving an IS-4 with the upgraded turret and the 122mm BL-9 gun. I fired an AP round on the T29's turret at the moment the distance between us was about the lenght of 3-4 tanks.
The shell hit the turret at a 90 degree angle (so straight, non sloped, etc).
The shell has a penetration of 169-281mm.
The T29's turret front armor has a thickness of 178mm (upgraded or not)
The shell bounced.

A very small chanse that would have happened, but whatever. bad luck. lets continue.

The IS-4 now loaded an APCR round.
the APCR round has a penetration of 199-331. Easy strong enough to penetrate a 178mm (at point blank range)
The APCR round bounced off.

How is this possible?


And meanwhile, how is it possible that the T29 penetrates the sloped 160mm front armor of the IS4 with ease? (lets presume he didnt hit the turret, i didnt check)
The starters gun of the t29 has 128mm penetration, 178 if he buys APCR. neither is close to being powerful enough to penetrate the is-4s sloped armor you would say.
the other gun the t29 could possibly have used(he didnt use the 105mm) has a penetration of 160mm. again, impossible to penetrate an is-4 with. the only option remaining what could have penetrated was an APCR round of the upgraded gun. very rare to get hit by that twice in a row. A tank two tiers lower, outmatching an (upgraded) IS-4.

I was in a JgPanther armed with the              8.8 cm PaK 43 L/71pentration 203mm , fired 10 times directly and they all bounced or did no damage, HE shells did do some damage.
There s something wrong with that tank.

JDA #98 Posted Dec 22 2010 - 20:26

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Tank:  PzKpfw VIB Tiger II
Gun:  10.5 cm KwK 46 L/68 (tier 9)
Ammo:  10.5 cm Armor Piercing Pzgr 39L (Standard AP)
Distance:  <20 meters


Target:  JagdPz IV
Impact Area: Front hull, underside
Screenshot:  Didn't take one, was too busy yelling, throwing things, and wondering why a gun with a minimum ArP of 169mm didn't penetrate 80mm with a straight on shot at close range.

The shot was fired from a low position to an elevated position as the target was cresting a hill.  The angle of impact was at or near 270 degrees; a straight shot.  Shot was achieved via zoomed in manual shot, guided by a 110% rated gunner.

Supposition:  Either something is coded oddly when it comes to rare situations where the underside of a tank is exposed, or any sloped armor has a small chance of deflecting any sort of shell.

Rumbaugh #99 Posted Dec 25 2010 - 03:42

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Last two battles shot at vehicles and got nothing. Last one a Hummel 50yrds away (twice) and got nothing. Not a bounce or ricochet. It was though he wasn't even there or the shell went right thru.

EDIT: 12/26/10  In a PzKpwf IV, 75mm gun. took 3 AP rounds to kill an M3 Stuart at point blank range. Then a US T1 killed my IV with 1 round.

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Past 2 days.

I've done two Critical hits with my ISU-152+bl-10 canon (the most strong canon out there).
With 0 damage.




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