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FaustianQ #41 Posted Dec 01 2011 - 22:45

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View Postramp4ge, on Dec 01 2011 - 22:38, said:

I was going off experience. You should PM me how you're looking at actual in-game values. I'm very interested.

In-game experience tells me the 2nd turret's mantlet is much bouncier. But if the values in-game are the same, then yes, the 2nd turret needs to be buffed..

Clear your inbox foo.

ramp4ge #42 Posted Dec 01 2011 - 22:56

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Oh snaps.

It's cleared.

FaustianQ #43 Posted Dec 02 2011 - 01:01

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View Postramp4ge, on Dec 01 2011 - 22:56, said:

Oh snaps.

It's cleared.

Still says I can't send you anything.

ramp4ge #44 Posted Dec 02 2011 - 01:15

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Whiskey tango foxtrot..

It's empty..

FaustianQ #45 Posted Dec 02 2011 - 01:24

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View Postramp4ge, on Dec 02 2011 - 01:15, said:

Whiskey tango foxtrot..

It's empty..

Finally sent - seems you can't receive PM's from strangers :P

SFC_Storm #46 Posted Dec 02 2011 - 21:21

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View Posticeman1601, on Dec 01 2011 - 18:20, said:

why? that tank was a piece of garbage in beta and im sure it was still a piece after release lol at least the pershing can bounce shells the t23 absorbed them like a friggin sponge

If you played it right it was amazing, the ultimate opportunist tank. I could hit a guy 3 times while a heavy was engaging him from his flanks then zoom across the map clear on the other side and shoot 2-3 more over there making those close heavy slugfests in my teams favor and while I was going to the other side I would DMG 2 on the move.

Seriously its Armor was its speed and agility it might have been 1 Tier off but IMO if they gave it the long 90 or moved it to the T20`s spot it would have been way better than keeping the T20, the T20 is like a rocket sled fast in a str8 line but bad turning the T23 turned so fast I could cirlce almost any enemy and not get a scratch.

I can see how people didnt like it being it had no Armor and only 160 Pen but played correctly and getting close under the nose of a heavy who I circle`d to death it was amazing.

Seriously the T20 should be a T6 Prem and just like the panther the T23 should have gone from T8 to T7 but instead they chose the worst option and left the T20.

Also the T20 absorbed DMG like a sponge also so whats the point? So does the Ez8 the Pershing and the Patton....US line is DMG sponges period, if you dont like that its time for T54 or E50.

T23 should have gotten HP nerf and kept just the way it was with lightning turning and little to no accel loss in hard turns, it was the T50 of the Med class.

evanb90 #47 Posted Dec 03 2011 - 01:04

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T23 was a fun tank. There's a reason that even after my garage (yes, that's my current garage in my sig) has gotten this big I still have a longing to put that little monster in my roster...

and go shopping with that nice basket turret.

Lert #48 Posted Dec 05 2011 - 11:51

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This M45 Derpshing would make a fun premie. Think about it. T8 premie Pershing with comparatively weak HE thrower, slower than a real Pershing because of added weight, smaller engine than the Pershing's top one and a more bouncy turret? I know a lot of people would be happy driving one. Hell, I might get one.

Just as much difference between this Derpshing and the real Pershing as between the Type 59 and the T54, or between the premie Hotchkiss and the one that will eventually be in the french tree.

Easy to model, too: take existing Pershing model, make front of turret slightly beefier, change gun model, chance some spare tracks and toolcases around, slightly change the hue of the paint job, done.

I can has Derpshing premie?

3rdNY_Cpl #49 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 04:46

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I'd like to see it as premium simply because it would be a premium that was actually used in combat- I'd be all for that. We have way too many drawing board and non-combat tested tanks as is, adding a real-world one would be a nice change.

FaustianQ #50 Posted Dec 06 2011 - 05:19

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View PostLert, on Dec 05 2011 - 11:51, said:

This M45 Derpshing would make a fun premie. Think about it. T8 premie Pershing with comparatively weak HE thrower, slower than a real Pershing because of added weight, smaller engine than the Pershing's top one and a more bouncy turret? I know a lot of people would be happy driving one. Hell, I might get one.

Just as much difference between this Derpshing and the real Pershing as between the Type 59 and the T54, or between the premie Hotchkiss and the one that will eventually be in the french tree.

Easy to model, too: take existing Pershing model, make front of turret slightly beefier, change gun model, chance some spare tracks and toolcases around, slightly change the hue of the paint job, done.

I can has Derpshing premie?

Actually...don't even do the 105mm derp.

Do the 165mm demolition version.

Aesir #51 Posted Dec 07 2011 - 01:46

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View PostFaustianQ, on Dec 06 2011 - 05:19, said:

Actually...don't even do the 105mm derp.

Do the 165mm demolition version.

There was a Pershing with a 165mm?

FaustianQ #52 Posted Dec 07 2011 - 02:09

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View PostAesir, on Dec 07 2011 - 01:46, said:

There was a Pershing with a 165mm?

T39 Demolition Tank.

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Landsraad #53 Posted Dec 09 2011 - 22:06

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View PostFaustianQ, on Dec 07 2011 - 02:09, said:

T39 Demolition Tank.
I fully support this idea. Derp gun, meet 165mm. :Smile-playing:

VonSchmuke #54 Posted Dec 17 2011 - 03:55

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View PostWolfpack_0313, on Nov 30 2011 - 23:37, said:

So does this mean the Pershing will get an M45 turret option with a 105mm SPH(slightly buffed) option as well? That would be kind of cool. Either that or a M45 SPG on the tech tree, one with arty mode and direct fire sights? This is just my wishful thinking, but it would add diversity to the game and a certain 'cool factor.'
That also implies that the KV with the 122 would have the same ability(yikes!)

VonSchmuke #55 Posted Dec 17 2011 - 04:02

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View PostFaustianQ, on Dec 07 2011 - 02:09, said:

T39 Demolition Tank.

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Yike again!  Blasted, bladed and buried...low money guys would love it...also, sigh..noobs.

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View PostFaustianQ, on Dec 07 2011 - 02:09, said:

T39 Demolition Tank.

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I'll take it!!!!!! ;) OK, take off the winchbox in the back, but leave the dozer blade for added (and needed) armor. :P
This would definitely give the KV Derp a run for its money!!!

Beausabre #57 Posted Jan 07 2019 - 15:59

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Actually, I'd like an M67A3 (a Flame Tank version of the M48 modified with a 105 mike-mike how in place of the flame gun). They'd have loved 'em in Vietnam....just think of all the nails in a beehive round). Slightly off topic....I think I read this in Donn Starry's "Mounted Combat in Vietnam" (Starry had commanded the 11th ACR in country, was the  CG at FT Knox when I did AOBC, commanded V Corps in Germany....for some reason he became "Mr Tank" to the rest of the Army). When the M551 had just deployed to Vietnam, one got an entire NVA company coming up the road "Hey diddle, diddle, straight up the middle" at night and squeezed off one round. In the morning, they counted over 100 bodies and there were blood trails going back into the jungle 9400 flechettes in a 152mm round..."I don’t know about any warning given to friendly troops before a Beehive round was fired. Never was around when one was fired. I just got called in after the fact to clear ordnance from the pin cushions that used to be bodies. There were two loadings of flechettes in the 152mm Sheridan combustible cased round. The XM625 Canister which had a flat nosed cylindrical projectile that contained 9,400 of the 13 gr. flechettes, packed in 5 layers. The round weighed 48 pounds with 41.8 pounds of that being the projectile. Overall length was 19.3 inches. The combustible cartridge case was the XM157, with 6 pounds of either the M26 or M26A1 propellant charge and the XM91E1 electric primer"

You can download the PDF of "Mounted Combat" at https://history.army.mil/html/books/090/90-17-1/index.html

https://mylardiesgames.blogspot.com/2012/07/mounted-combat-in-vietnam.html for a review






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