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Corben27 #21 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 22:57

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Here's another
Overlord said...

    Q: No answer about the M103 coming with the French tanks, since french isn't coming till the end of December. Breaking your promise again Overlord and afraid to have to bring it up?

    A: M103 will come along with French stuff.
    October 20, 2011 11:02 AM

In this post: http://overlord-wot....ml#comment-form

evhgear #22 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:00

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Well, get used to it, devs rarely respect the schedule they gives to the public. They also seems to prefer adding new stuff/maps instead of changing/fixing things, tanks and balance.
If I remember well, on the devloppers blog the first pictures of the M103 an T110 were shown to the public in june(??) in the same time than the E-Series, T5 lights, some french tanks, etc. They have released the E-series, the T5 lights and some other tanks like the Sherman Jumbo, the French is comming soon, but they still haven't released 2 tanks...

In résumé, don't believes the devs for release date until the update is avaliable.

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 22:51, said:

You people who beg for when something is coming out and then rant at them for not releasing on those times are why they tend to go cone of silence on the exact release times of stuff

you mean cone of shame?

BobFromMarketing #24 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:02

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View PostGarv, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:01, said:

you mean cone of shame?
Sure if that's the ignorant name you choose instead.

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 22:32, said:

I guess your not really good at reading ST patch notes...

Besides, they never 'promised' anything and stated that content will be cut in order to keep 7.1 on schedule. Did you honestly think that they will get rid of the French for 1 American tank?

Why would they have to get rid of it? There isnt a rule about only realising 1 or the other lol.

And seriously its crazy for them to announce way back before the E Series before the Patton and Esp since the T34 is by far the most outclassed tank in the ENTIRE GAME, all the while doing nothing about it? And reforming the already pretty great German line with the Maus, which was arguably the best tank in game and the Kt being at T8 the best in its class etc...Instead of fixing what was broken they announced and made it sound like repeatidly that the US line was gonna come first...Guess what all they did was add the Patton.

If you think they havent promised things or basically stated way back when this would be fixed on a Tank that is 5-7% lower winning avg, then your crazy, it was number 1 priority in game, and just like before they are now adding NEW TOYS rather than fixing whats there alredy, hell the 1% winning avg that the over the Ferdi got it nerfed, but the 5-7% is not enough? And everytime its mentioned they say dont worry the M103 is coming...Well its NOT, they have blueballed us for way to long, and if you dont see that the way they have treated the T34 problem is totally horrible im sorry your eyes are closed.

If we all knew the M103 wasnt coming almost for an entire year, the guys who play US heavies would have flipped out. So instead of fixing the T34 or at least buffing it a little to try and even it out in the ENTIRE YEAR you wernt gonna realise it, so we could at least enjoy it a little rather than being throne over a barrel, that is crazy and wrong.

A few lines of code changed and bam the 5-7% could be 1-2% and at least it gives people who use it often an actual chance to make a differance...But no they DIDNT DO SH!T

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:06, said:

Why would they have to get rid of it? There isnt a rule about only realising 1 or the other lol.

And seriously its crazy for them to announce way back before the E Series before the Patton and Esp since the T34 is by far the most outclassed tank in the ENTIRE GAME, all the while doing nothing about it? And reforming the already pretty great German line with the Maus, which was arguably the best tank in game and the Kt being at T8 the best in its class etc...Instead of fixing what was broken they announced and made it sound like repeatidly that the US line was gonna come first...Guess what all they did was add the Patton.

If you think they havent promised things or basically stated way back when this would be fixed on a Tank that is 5-7% lower winning avg, then your crazy, it was number 1 priority in game, and just like before they are now adding NEW TOYS rather than fixing whats there alredy, hell the 1% winning avg that the over the Ferdi got it nerfed, but the 5-7% is not enough? And everytime its mentioned they say dont worry the M103 is coming...Well its NOT, they have blueballed us for way to long, and if you dont see that the way they have treated the T34 problem is totally horrible im sorry your eyes are closed.

If we all knew the M103 wasnt coming almost for an entire year, the guys who play US heavies would have flipped out. So instead of fixing the T34 or at least buffing it a little to try and even it out in the ENTIRE YEAR you wernt gonna realise it, so we could at least enjoy it a little rather than being throne over a barrel, that is crazy and wrong.

A few lines of code changed and bam the 5-7% could be 1-2% and at least it gives people who use it often an actual chance to make a differance...But no they DIDNT DO SH!T

Because the French line was promised all the way back in December last year, far longer than the M103. That has priority. Also, WG is trying to get all the content patches back on schedule since 7.0 took far longer than anticipated. That means WG has a smaller window of opportunity to get things balanced and working. Lastly, it is far easier to delay 1 tank, (which was half of a line change) then to cut out an entire tank tree.

SFC_Storm #27 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:13

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 22:42, said:

Yes it is.  You have unrealistic standards you likely have never applied to yourself.

But hey take your vast experience in 3d modeling or some other useful field and offer to work for Wargaming for free to meet your goal.  What's that? You don't have any experience in the field you say? Color me shocked.

This is crap, they already had the model long ago, sorry this isnt unrealistic at all, and just because you cant build a house and I can doesnt mean you cant hold me accountable when I make 100 excuses and have promised you a deadline.

They had the model already, but the french tanks are taking up all there time testing now, All that happend was a priority shift not a problem building the tank. Also your talking about people begging, No one was begging they were saying the US Heavy line [Which the Devs rushed BTW] was crap
and instead of changing one of the worst balancing issues in the game they decided to add more things to the game, the game where an entire country basically is useless in serious competetion.

Its Eve Syndrome, instead of fixing the massive holes lets add WH space and all kinds of other crap. Lol

Its not begging when you want a even opportunity to compete, and its not whining to call them on it when they lack to fulfill there promises over and over.

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:13, said:

they decided to add more things to the game, the game where an entire country basically is useless in serious competetion.

I giggled, you sir, are so wrong

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:11, said:

Because the French line was promised all the way back in December last year, far longer than the M103. That has priority. Also, WG is trying to get all the content patches back on schedule since 7.0 took far longer than anticipated. That means WG has a smaller window of opportunity to get things balanced and working. Lastly, it is far easier to delay 1 tank, (which was half of a line change) then to cut out an entire tank tree.

Wrong, the T34 issue was BY FAR earlier than any french tanks, infact it was a balancing issue the day it came out, so that TAKES PRIORITY.

You fix whats broken before adding anything, and since its only "One Us Tank" as you said it shouldnt be a problem right?

To add new content or an entire new line when the one you added before is broken is WRONG

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 22:51, said:

You people who beg for when something is coming out and then rant at them for not releasing on those times are why they tend to go cone of silence on the exact release times of stuff

You sir, are a brown nosing fan boy. You are saying that Overlord is supposed to lie to us, and that we should not have a problem with it.

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http://worldoftanks....mon_test_0_7_1/
Here's the public test for 7.1 on the Russian page, there's nothing about M103.

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:15, said:

Wrong, the T34 issue was BY FAR earlier than any french tanks, infact it was a balancing issue the day it came out, so that TAKES PRIORITY.

You fix whats broken before adding anything, and since its only "One Us Tank" as you said it shouldnt be a problem right?

To add new content or an entire new line when the one you added before is broken is WRONG

The tank was planned with the T110, that was the original plan. They moved the M103 ahead because there is a chance that it might be placed with the French.

The M103 DOES NOT take priority over the French in the patch. 7.1 was frequently quoted as the 'French patch' and WG reputation will take a hit if the French patch does not come with French tanks.

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View PostCrimsonplague, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:16, said:

You sir, are a brown nosing fan boy. You are saying that Overlord is supposed to lie to us, and that we should not have a problem with it.
He isn't lying. Lying would be telling you its going to be at X date when he knows full well it isn't.  He is asked a question, he asks the devs, he reports what the devs tell him as their current projected timeline looks like. No stage of this involves lying. Call basic logic on how this process works brown nosing if you want, I will simply call it common sense.

Pushing back timelines happens all the time in gaming.  Look at just about any major game release to see a delay.

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:15, said:

I giggled, you sir, are so wrong

Please show me how useful the US line in CW is.

The E100 took its Cannon since its all gold anyways, but has 3x its Armor and 85% of its speed cant be killed by an Ez8 all while packing its same Punch...Oh No the 150mm is .02 less accurate...Your right the T30 is fine.

And the T34 if you defend are just so out there its not even funny.

CW is the logical choice for most serious gamers once the played enough, what tank does the US get to compete in the T10 Heavy dominated matches?
What arty? Ok cool all of us US guys will get to be T8 Arty..Great

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:19, said:

Please show me how useful the US line in CW is.

The E100 took its Cannon since its all gold anyways, but has 3x its Armor and 85% of its speed cant be killed by an Ez8 all while packing its same Punch...Oh No the 150mm is .02 less accurate...Your right the T30 is fine.

And the T34 if you defend are just so out there its not even funny.

CW is the logical choice for most serious gamers once the played enough, what tank does the US get to compete in the T10 Heavy dominated matches?
What arty? Ok cool all of us US guys will get to be T8 Arty..Great

I'm not talking about the US, I'm talking about the French...

Guess that was a reading comprehension fail on my part :P  :facepalmic:

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:18, said:

The tank was planned with the T110, that was the original plan. They moved the M103 ahead because there is a chance that it might be placed with the French.

The M103 DOES NOT take priority over the French in the patch. 7.1 was frequently quoted as the 'French patch' and WG reputation will take a hit if the French patch does not come with French tanks.

They were always supposed to fix the T34, it was there choice to say they were replacing it not ours, but the T34 and T30 had problems long before any of that.

Serious company in closed beta was always 80% mix of IS7+Maus

Sorry the T34/T30 always was supposed to get fixed, it was there choice to add new tanks, therefore that problem was higher on the agenda since the problem was older.

US was always coming out b4 France, And the US line isnt complete..PERIOD

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:19, said:

Please show me how useful the US line in CW is.

The E100 took its Cannon since its all gold anyways, but has 3x its Armor and 85% of its speed cant be killed by an Ez8 all while packing its same Punch...Oh No the 150mm is .02 less accurate...Your right the T30 is fine.

And the T34 if you defend are just so out there its not even funny.

CW is the logical choice for most serious gamers once the played enough, what tank does the US get to compete in the T10 Heavy dominated matches?
What arty? Ok cool all of us US guys will get to be T8 Arty..Great
My clan uses T30s in every battle we field. We like the tank quite a bit.  Maybe your drivers just arent that good?

Here lets take a look at some numbers.  

Your clan. Who(according to you) thinks the T30 is useless
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My clan. Who does not.
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As for the T34, if you're using a tier 9 heavy in clan wars you are probably not doing so well to begin with.

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:22, said:

They were always supposed to fix the T34, it was there choice to say they were replacing it not ours, but the T34 and T30 had problems long before any of that.

Serious company in closed beta was always 80% mix of IS7+Maus

Sorry the T34/T30 always was supposed to get fixed, it was there choice to add new tanks, therefore that problem was higher on the agenda since the problem was older.

US was always coming out b4 France, And the US line isnt complete..PERIOD

Yes, they are supposed to fix the T34 and it is still planned to be fixed. Nothing is changed. Plan 1 was to add the T110/M103 to 7.2. Plan 2 had the M103 with the French and when they figured that they cannot make that deadline in time, they reverted to Plan 1.

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:21, said:

I'm not talking about the US, I'm talking about the French...

Guess that was a reading comprehension fail on my part :P  :facepalmic:

Nah I think the French will be amazing in CW, They are mobile Arty for real, 1800 DMG in 7.5 Secs is like T7.5 Arty, and god knows Ill prob use them, but its wrong not to fix what is clearly broken, before putting new stuff out ESPecially if the new stuff stops you from fixing the stuff already there.

its like putting new [upper/Shiny] engine parts exhaust/intake/heads/Blower on a motor thats leaking Oil and has 250k miles on it...You dont do anything till your motor runs great.

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:24, said:

Yes, they are supposed to fix the T34 and it is still planned to be fixed. Nothing is changed. Plan 1 was to add the T110/M103 to 7.2. Plan 2 had the M103 with the French and when they figured that they cannot make that deadline in time, they reverted to Plan 1.

Sorry but a fix doesnt take 1 year...

Seriously you think its ok to have a tank that is 5x worse than the other "Fixes" they are doing and take a year to do it? Really think about it man, an enitre year while fixing everything else and adding Cow Horns...LOL

If they cant make it fine, give us a buff until you do, its Lol they are still Nerfing the T30 until it changes to a TD and its already clearly less useful than most other tanks.




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