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15th_Armored_division #41 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:30

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*prepare bricks*

Let's make  an angry mob in front of wargames studio.

SFC_Storm #42 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:31

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:24, said:

My clan uses T30s in every battle we field. We like the tank quite a bit.  Maybe your drivers just arent that good?

Here lets take a look at some numbers.  

Your clan. Who(according to you) thinks the T30 is useless
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My clan. Who does not.
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As for the T34, if you're using a tier 9 heavy in clan wars you are probably not doing so well to begin with.

That is a terribad argument. Sorry

Please show me these screenshots of your wonderful T30 squads.

I didnt say it wasnt useful, I said the T30 is redundant by the E100 and it is...In all your cool fights with the great T30 I could replace it by a E100 and 9/10 you`d do better. Now come on gimmi the old cool HullDown pep talk so I know you have no Idea what your talking about :)

Also bro your in a big clan for 29 days, Im sorry but I could join any of the bigs and do the same thing..Show how many cool parts of regions I control...How many of those did you take? and in 30 days how many have YOU personally defended? Sorry but thats not impressive, to be in CW is great but its stressful when you are organizing landings and are FCing etc, so dont act like you know sooo much because you are in a Big Clan, all you Goonies are the same, always think your 5k Alliance and NC style huge NapFests makes you better ..Lol :)

F34rmen00bz #43 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:35

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:28, said:

Sorry but a fix doesnt take 1 year...

Seriously you think its ok to have a tank that is 5x worse than the other "Fixes" they are doing and take a year to do it? Really think about it man, an enitre year while fixing everything else and adding Cow Horns...LOL

If they cant make it fine, give us a buff until you do, its Lol they are still Nerfing the T30 until it changes to a TD and its already clearly less useful than most other tanks.

It does take a year when you are building 3 tank trees, redoing the tier 9 mediums, adding new graphics, UI and physics, reorganizing the German and Russian lines, fixing the Maus and JT (finally) as well as having around 100+ tanks in the work and all that with a speed record of a paraplegic running track with no crutches.

Trust me, I'm pissed too. The M103 delays have been a kick in the nuts to the community and this only makes it a little bit worse. But all in all, I have been waiting/more excited for the French more than the M103.

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:24, said:

Yes, they are supposed to fix the T34 and it is still planned to be fixed. Nothing is changed. Plan 1 was to add the T110/M103 to 7.2. Plan 2 had the M103 with the French and when they figured that they cannot make that deadline in time, they reverted to Plan 1.

No, actually, the original plan was to replace the T34 and the T30 in 6.8, per an announcement in June/July. Then 6.8 and 6.9 were cancelled. The T30 had a dispersion on the move nerf in the mean time. Then the next plan was the M103 would be separated from the T110, and included with the French tanks in 7.1, per an announcement in October, and then again in November. Long after they were announced as being replaced in April. It is 6 months later, and now the M103 has been delayed. Again. We're stunned. Stunned I tell you. Stunned. Or not.

In the mean time, the T34 has seen no adjustments, other than an undeserved cannon depression nerf, which was removed in the next patch. They could simply increase the view range, easily justified since the T34 has less view range than the tier VII T29. They could also increase the accuracy, and even the rate of fire. But they have chosen to do absolutely nothing. Well, nothing, outside of empty promises they've never kept.

Delaying the replacement of the T34 while also refusing to make any adjustments at all to the T34 is inexcusable. Especially given the time frame involved. We were told to "be patient, the M103 will be here so soon that there is no need to adjust the T34", and "the T34 is performing within an acceptable range". Well, the M103 is so late someone should be hunting the "baby daddy", and the T34 is still the worst performing regular tank in the game, not having been adjusted.

Just another reason I refuse to spend money on this game.

BobFromMarketing #45 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:37

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View PostCmd_Storm, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:31, said:

That is a terribad argument. Sorry

Please show me these screenshots of your wonderful T30 squads.

I didnt say it wasnt useful, I said the T30 is redundant by the E100 and it is...In all your cool fights with the great T30 I could replace it by a E100 and 9/10 you`d do better. Now come on gimmi the old cool HullDown pep talk so I know you have no Idea what your talking about :)
Really? You think we haven't tried that? The T30 actually serves purposes the E-100 cannot in clan wars.  You would know this if your clan was even remotely capable.

VirgilHilts #46 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:39

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:35, said:

It does take a year when you are building 3 tank trees, redoing the tier 9 mediums, adding new graphics, UI and physics, reorganizing the German and Russian lines, fixing the Maus and JT (finally) as well as having around 100+ tanks in the work and all that with a speed record of a paraplegic running track with no crutches.

Trust me, I'm pissed too. The M103 delays have been a kick in the nuts to the community and this only makes it a little bit worse. But all in all, I have been waiting/more excited for the French more than the M103.


That's interesting. You must be upset about another account, because the one you're posting under doesn't have any U.S. heavy tanks above an M6.

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:37, said:

Really? You think we haven't tried that? The T30 actually serves purposes the E-100 cannot in clan wars.  You would know this if your clan was even remotely capable.

Now I'm curious. I know that the T30 serves as a mobile sniping defense platform but I want to know what NDP's reasoning is

BobFromMarketing #48 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:40

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Come fight us and see :) As for screenshots there are numerous end game screenshots of ours in the Clan Rivalry forums. Maybe when I get back from work I will post a few.

F34rmen00bz #49 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:41

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View PostVirgilHilts, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:39, said:

That's interesting. You must be upset about another account, because the one you're posting under doesn't have any U.S. heavy tanks above an M6.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Just because I haven't played the tank in retail all of a sudden means I'm a dumbass?

You don't need to play the tank to know that it is bad or to know that people are pissed about the tank.

Besides, what I played in retail is irrelevant since I've played all of the tanks in the ST anyways.

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View PostVirgilHilts, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:39, said:

That's interesting. You must be upset about another account, because the one you're posting under doesn't have any U.S. heavy tanks above an M6.
I have all US tanks and I look forward to the changes. I am not however trying to cry about it.

Snurgle #51 Posted Dec 13 2011 - 23:42

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All this arguing over the release date of a tank is really not worth it. I mean, ok if you exclusively drive your T34 and no other tank then fine go ahead and gripe. But if you were driving it exclusively then you wouldn't have a problem with it would you? (see what I did there).

I will admit it is not the easiest tank to drive and trying to maintain a 50% w/l can be hard some days trying to get your double, however you do have to admit for all it's faults when you are in it, it's a sweet ride. I know when I enter a battle that I have a high probability of getting raped, but I also know I am going to hurt the fk out of whatever does get near me.

I for one will be a little sad when they replace it for that reason. So instead of whining, how about you just enjoy it while it's where it is. You are driving a tank that soon will not exist at tier 9 so it's a piece of current history ;-)

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:40, said:

Come fight us and see :) As for screenshots there are numerous end game screenshots of ours in the Clan Rivalry forums. Maybe when I get back from work I will post a few.

Nah, my clan's old body had bad memories trying to fight Marder in Spain/Italy so I don't think we will go to Europe anytime soon. Plus the African natives are Hawt

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:41, said:

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Just because I haven't played the tank in retail all of a sudden means I'm a dumbass?

You don't need to play the tank to know that it is bad or to know that people are pissed about the tank.

Besides, what I played in retail is irrelevant since I've played all of the tanks anyways in the ST.

Did anyone call you a dumb ass?

I'm happy you played all the tanks in the super test.

Come back when you have ground a T34 from stock in public matches to elite.

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:37, said:

Really? You think we haven't tried that? The T30 actually serves purposes the E-100 cannot in clan wars.  You would know this if your clan was even remotely capable.

The T30 is situationally very good. The number of situations it is good, is limited compared to the number of situations the other Tier 10s are good. This is my issue. I do not think the T30 is bad at it's role, I just do not believe it's correct role is a Heavy tank. It will be very capable as a Tier 9 TD. But the inability to take incoming fire hampers it's ability to be good in a typical heavy tank role.

That said, this is about the M103, which is replacing T34, NOT T30. T34 is rubbish. Unlike T30 it doesn't even have a scary gun. It's just rubbish. And being Tier 9, it's not really a CW tank, I'd say they mostly get used in pubs or company battles. Again, it isn't a Heavy tank - not at Tier 9 anyway - it's only competent fire support. It's peers can hurt things as well if not better than it can, are just as mobile, and can survive a lot better. It's only advantage, at all, is rate of fire, and rarely can that be used to it's full extent in battle.

This is why the M103 is needed. Because the T34 is rubbish. The T110, yeah, cool, it's coming. But the T30 is competent enough, that it isn't painful in most situations. T30 only really falls flat in pub or company battles where you have no armour (read: E-100 or Maus) to play support to.

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View PostVirgilHilts, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:43, said:

Come back when you have ground a T34 from stock in public matches to elite.

Dude, I said it was bad, I've grinded the T1 and M6 and I know how bad that was and I don't even want to know how bad the T34 grind is

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:41, said:

I have all US tanks and I look forward to the changes. I am not however trying to cry about it.

People aren't "crying". People are just sick of being strung along and promised things that are never delivered.

You can say what you want, but Overlord is an official representative of WoT, wargaming, and the developers. As such, people expect what he says to be at least somewhat reliable and factual. That is a reasonable expectation, regardless of your opinion.

It would be far better if they said nothing, or said they could not give any sort of date, rather than to give dates that are not even remotely close to reality. If I gave my customers any where near as much false and misleading information as they do, I'd be out of business and in court trying to keep my personal property.

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View PostBobFromMarketing, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:24, said:

My clan. Who does not.
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As for the T34, if you're using a tier 9 heavy in clan wars you are probably not doing so well to begin with.

So that's where NDPs put their HQ

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View PostSrapNZ, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:53, said:

So that's where NDPs put their HQ

Ouch

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View PostF34rmen00bz, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:47, said:

Dude, I said it was bad, I've grinded the T1 and M6 and I know how bad that was and I don't even want to know how bad the T34 grind is


The T1 is marginal. The M6 is great, I kept mine, played it today and scored a Top Gun, again.

See, you don't even want to know how bad the T34 is, and you have yet to get past the M6 in retail. That in itself is telling. It hardly puts you in a position to tell anyone how they should be understanding about this situation. Being a "super tester", you should have a grasp on the actual facts regarding the promises repeatedly made to the players regarding the T34 and the M103. From reading your posts, you seem to have missed the vast majority of the statements made by the developers through Overlord, who, again, is their official spokesman, and who in fact has been promoted again, so if he's making statements/promises the developers don't agree with, they have a strange way of handling that.

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View PostSrapNZ, on Dec 13 2011 - 23:53, said:

So that's where NDPs put their HQ


And that's why Bobfrommarketing got fired in the movie.




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