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Tiger 10.5 KwK 42 L 28 - Worth it?


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Neal #1 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:47

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I just got my Tiger tank, and I am using the 8.8 36. I am looking at the 10.5 because I often find myself in battles with higher tier tanks and I think the HE would be useful. But I also acknowledge that I don't know much, this being my first run through with the German line. So...Should I bother with the 10.5 KwK 42 L 28 gun?

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GonTo30 #2 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:48

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Never used it the 105mm, but I would probably use the short 88 until you work you way up to the long 88. Even then though, the long 88 isn't an amazing gun, but does have good accuracy. With the recalculation of HE now, the 105mm isn't much of a threat to even higher tier tanks anymore, so that is why I suggest the 88mm until you get the long 88mm.

Lert #3 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:51

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The 105 L/28 is a worthless gun at that tier. It's the same gun that's good at tier 4 on the Hetzer and mediocre on the StuG at tier 5, and it's completely worthless at tier 7 on a Tiger.

KiwiMark67 #4 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:52

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I like the 88 L/71 - it has enough penetration to put a shell through the side of most of what you will fight against.

The 10.5 isn't very accurate and just doesn't do enough damage against the high tier targets that you have trouble penetrating with the L/56.

autorev #5 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:55

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Typical per hit damage against a tier 7 is probably going to be around 100.  If you can even penetrate 50% of the time--and you should be able to, against tier 7 targets, you might as well use the 75.  Against tier 8 heavies, you're generically impotent.

GonTo30 #6 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:56

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View PostLert, on Dec 19 2011 - 01:51, said:

^ Most useless reply ever. Completely off topic.

The 105 L/28 is a worthless gun at that tier. It's the same gun that's good at tier 4 on the Hetzer and mediocre on the StuG at tier 5, and it's completely worthless at tier 7 on a Tiger.

Is it useless that I'm giving him my opinion of the guns for the tank. Please explain?

Lert #7 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:56

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It's useless because you never used the thing he's asking an opinion about, and instead you gave an opinion on something he isn't asking about.

GonTo30 #8 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:58

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View PostLert, on Dec 19 2011 - 01:56, said:

It's useless because you never used the thing he's asking an opinion about, and instead you gave an opinion on something he isn't asking about.

By saying I disliked all the guns means I find none of them more useful than the other. I fixed the reply to be "on-topic".

Lert #9 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 01:59

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You still haven't answered him. He asked about the 105. Not the various 88's or the tank itself. But, I'll grant you that this reply is better than your original.

Mi_Amore_Cadenza #10 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 02:02

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i would use the short 88 much better than the 105 >_< you are going to need the armor penetration of it

GonTo30 #11 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 02:02

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View PostLert, on Dec 19 2011 - 01:59, said:

You still haven't answered him. He asked about the 105. Not the various 88's or the tank itself. But, I'll grant you that this reply is better than your original.

Fixed it again, happy?

Neal #12 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 02:05

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OK. So, stick with the short 88 and just grind through to the long 88, is best, correct?

Nashorn101 #13 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 02:05

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NO, do not put the 10.5cm on the Tiger. Its a flippin' useless gun on a tier 7, as stated above. Work your way to the first 88mm, then once you get the last 88mm...you'll be set! The long 88mm (Last 88mm on the Tiger) is a blast, as it now has something like 225 damage v.s. its original 200 damage, in addition to having .30 accuracy.

Lert #14 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 02:06

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View PostGonTo30, on Dec 19 2011 - 02:02, said:

happy?
Yes, actually. :)


View PostNeal, on Dec 19 2011 - 02:05, said:

OK. So, stick with the short 88 and just grind through to the long 88, is best, correct?
Yep.

Neal #15 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 02:30

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Thank you all.

Toasted_Rofls #16 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 02:33

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It was better than the short 88, until the recent HE nerf. Now, it is useless as the short 88. Free EXP your way to the long 88 and then go after all the other upgrades from there. That is what I recommend. Trying to use a gun that is bad at tier 6 on a allready terrible tier 7 heavy tank is going to suck, and you are going to get no-where unless you know weakspots, HE spam, or are extremely lucky.

KiwiMark67 #17 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 03:45

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View PostNashorn101, on Dec 19 2011 - 02:05, said:

NO, do not put the 10.5cm on the Tiger. Its a flippin' useless gun on a tier 7, as stated above. Work your way to the first 88mm, then once you get the last 88mm...you'll be set! The long 88mm (Last 88mm on the Tiger) is a blast, as it now has something like 225 damage v.s. its original 200 damage, in addition to having .30 accuracy.

Damage? Accuracy?
The most important thing is the penetration!
It's the only gun choice for the Tiger where you can actually penetrate the enemy tanks with most shots.  There is no point in using an accurate gun with good damage that bounces 80% of its shots off the enemy armour.
What penetration is better - 138mm, 132mm or 203mm?  That's right, the L/71 with 65mm more penetration is HUGELY better than the next best option.  Sure I used a heap of my free xp to get the upgraded turret and the 88 L/71 gun, but that gun transforms the Tiger into a tank that has a gun that is of some use!

steel_eater #18 Posted Dec 19 2011 - 04:32

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Don't even bother using the 105 on your tiger. If you can't pen something with the short 88, that 105L28 won't even take 50 hp off the same target. You will actually do more damage using the short 88's he, as you can actually shoot weakspots from a distance for 50% of HE's listed damage. The 105L28 is only effective at that tier if you can flank or get behind other tanks, something a stock tiger has zero chance of doing.




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