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[tread50]

I know this has been asked before but I'm realy struggling with my Tiger P.
I just can't seem to get a win with this thing I have the short 88 and second engine and working for long 88 and tracks and turret.
I made sure that I read up on how to use this tank, but with the short 88 I am struggling.
Stats are:
Games: 14
Wins: 3
Kills: 8
Hit%: 80
I have a sniper medal, sharp shooter is at 16 and master gunner is at 9
Any help would be great.

[Sirus_Patton]

Ignore you win/loss record until the tank is fully upgraded.  Until then you can't pull the full weight of any tank in it's tier.

[MightyTiki]

You're at the point where taking a tank into a pub match that's not fully upgraded and not running full consumables and equipment can really hurt you and your team.  Gear out your P before you roll into a match.

[tread50]

MightyTiki, on Jan 02 2012 - 11:35, said:

You're at the point where taking a tank into a pub match that's not fully upgraded and not running full consumables and equipment can really hurt you and your team.  Gear out your P before you roll into a match.

So I should play my other tanks and build up my free xp and fully upgrade it before I play it?

[Submersible_Fox]

Bigest thing I can tell you is that you have to remember to angle the nose, if you do that, its VERY hard to pen it, untill you're fully upgraded try to avoid other tier 7s and focus on 6s and down, when you ARE fully upgraded, it just takes practice.

Best of luck, A Maus Driver.

[MightyTiki]

tread50, on Jan 02 2012 - 11:40, said:

So I should play my other tanks and build up my free xp and fully upgrade it before I play it?

It depends, if you don't mind about your stats and just want to play for the fun of it, then don't worry about it.  

On the other hand, if you care about your stats then I would recommend putting your Tiger P on hold and grind your other tanks till you have enough free experience to fully gear out your gun and turret at minimum (assuming you need to get the tracks as well tin order to have the turret and gun).

[theaptpupil]

even fully upgraded, this tank is harder to play than the Tiger H, because MatchMaker doesnt like this tank very much. I haven't been in so many T10-11 matches in any other Tier 7 heavy tank.

in comparison, all the T8 heavies get better match maker favorability- wherein they fight their own tier way more often than the Tiger P.

at leats in the Tiger H, you can have an easier time shooting out rival tier tanks.

also your 200mm of frontal armour is thick, but not Maus- thick. T7 and 8 heavy tank guns can cut through you if you dont bother angling your armour

[Whyan]

theaptpupil, on Jan 03 2012 - 07:35, said:

even fully upgraded, this tank is harder to play than the Tiger H, because MatchMaker doesnt like this tank very much. I haven't been in so many T10-11 matches in any other Tier 7 heavy tank.

in comparison, all the T8 heavies get better match maker favorability- wherein they fight their own tier way more often than the Tiger P.

at leats in the Tiger H, you can have an easier time shooting out rival tier tanks.

also your 200mm of frontal armour is thick, but not Maus- thick. T7 and 8 heavy tank guns can cut through you if you dont bother angling your armour

I'd say that the P is more forgiving in pubs than the H just because you can rely on 200mm of armour than a random guy that looks like he is supporting you.

The only thing tiger H has going for it is the mobility and the centre-mounted turret, the mobility being a huge plus that prevents mediums from circling you and allows you to shoot and scoot to an extent. Tiger P feels like a KV with neutral steering when it comes to mobility.

T7 guns won't penetrate about 80%, while the BL-9 and 105mm on the KT will have about 50/50 chance if you're shooting past 200ish meters in a combat situation, however it'll pass through if the plate is more or less flat/ un-angled.


TBH tough it out for the 88, at least once you have that than you're pretty much set if you decide to go up the other heavy line or the medium line.

[n00biachi]

The 200mm front is all nice but experienced users will simply shoot you in the weak turret,just keep playing\grinding and lower your expectations; pretty much every stock tank sucks and doesnt meet up to the "omg yes! i got my new tank im so gonna pwn now" expectation.

[theaptpupil]

Whyan, on Jan 03 2012 - 08:44, said:

I'd say that the P is more forgiving in pubs than the H just because you can rely on 200mm of armour than a random guy that looks like he is supporting you.

The only thing tiger H has going for it is the mobility and the centre-mounted turret, the mobility being a huge plus that prevents mediums from circling you and allows you to shoot and scoot to an extent. Tiger P feels like a KV with neutral steering when it comes to mobility.

T7 guns won't penetrate about 80%, while the BL-9 and 105mm on the KT will have about 50/50 chance if you're shooting past 200ish meters in a combat situation, however it'll pass through if the plate is more or less flat/ un-angled.


TBH tough it out for the 88, at least once you have that than you're pretty much set if you decide to go up the other heavy line or the medium line.

I started out in my P fully equipped. I can handle an IS-3 easily enough. what I cant handle are the 4-5 Tier 9's and 1-4 T10 tanks per team in my matchmaker with my P.

It sucks being back on the bottom in a medium tier tank, and it sucks even more when each of those guns can penetrate angled 200mm fairly reliably.

[KeyserSoze1]

When you get it upgraded its awesome.  Many a 9 kill game in it.  She is mean if you angle a little.  If they aim at the turret move it and your tank back and forth.  The gun mantel has good armor and 175 or below pen is a dead tank in front of you.  The big 88 has 200 pen good damage,  acc and rof.

[Whyan]

theaptpupil, on Jan 03 2012 - 16:12, said:

I started out in my P fully equipped. I can handle an IS-3 easily enough. what I cant handle are the 4-5 Tier 9's and 1-4 T10 tanks per team in my matchmaker with my P.

It sucks being back on the bottom in a medium tier tank, and it sucks even more when each of those guns can penetrate angled 200mm fairly reliably.

Tiger P is better in some cases in these matches because at range, 200mm of armour isn't that thin and because you're in a high tier game you won't going up front to slug it out.

[Frozty7]

theaptpupil, on Jan 03 2012 - 07:35, said:

even fully upgraded, this tank is harder to play than the Tiger H, because MatchMaker doesnt like this tank very much. I haven't been in so many T10-11 matches in any other Tier 7 heavy tank.

There's a tier 11?

The armour is deceptive in this tank. It is extremely valuable armour but unfortunately it is true that match maker dislikes the Tiger P. For some reason they just don't get along. So the armour ends up going against the IS4 or the E75 quite often, and both of those tanks pack superior firepower. The best thing to do is to wait and see which flank needs the most sniper support and go that direction. The armour is your back up plan so don't rely on it to save you all the time. Alas, there is truly only one cannon worth bringing and that is the KwK 43 L/71. The other two cannons simply don't have the penetration you will need to fight the tanks you will be up against. Unlock the KwK 36 L/56 as soon as possible as a band aid solution and then power grind your way to the L/71. That thing is so good it is practically cookie dough.

[tread50]

Thanks for all your advice I have now got the long 88 and what a gun! I have managed to get my win rate from around 24% to a solid 48% and rising.  

[bikesandcars]

I absolutely love the tiger P.  Hardly ever see them in-game though, I actually see more H models (dont know why)... that's ok, lets keep it our secret.

I only play pubs, and I've noticed that most people don't target my turret (except experienced german drivers who know the tank well).

with the turret upgrade and the big gun this tank is a beast and a lot of fun.  I have a t29 and I prefer the tiger P.  The T29 is awesome in hull-down situations, but if you can't get hull down (which is quite often if you have to relocate), the tiger P is superior.

[Starne]

The Tiger(H) is a good tank with the 88mm L71, the Tiger(P) is an absolute beast with the same gun.

Frankly, I like to think of the Tiger(P) as an otherwise fully upgraded Ferdi with a turret and the stock gun. It has more hitpoints and is a tier earlier. The only things it doesn't have are the rock-solid casemate and the awe-inspiring 128mm death-ray.

I didn't hate the Tiger(H), but I absolutely love the Tiger(P). It's a much more forgiving tank, mainly because you can rely on it's frontal armor to bounce a lot of shots. The Tiger(H)'s armor is much less reliable unless you keep the hull parked at some extreme angle. I can't help but grin like a fool every time I bounce a shot from an IS-4, E-75, or even E-100 or IS-7 in this tank.

Frankly, the only thing the Tiger(H) has over the Tiger(P) is mobility. The Tiger(H) is surprisingly mobile when fully upgraded, but the Tiger(P) remains quite sluggish.  

My only advice I can offer so far is that with tank, you do *NOT* want to go hull down. By all means, try to find a way to hide that lower plate, but aside from that, you want to angle your hull, and make sure your enemy has a nice clean shot at those glorious 200mm plates. I'm not exactly sure what the turret armor is, but given the shots that have bounced off the front, I'm certain that it's a little higher than the listed value.  Many people will point out that savvy players will always avoid shooting the 200mm plates on the front. Fortunately, not many people are *that* savvy. I recently got into a slugging match with a Ferdinand(armed with the 105mm), and he didn't catch on to the weak spots until he was almost dead.

[Potoroo]

bikesandcars, on Mar 11 2012 - 15:40, said:

I absolutely love the tiger P.  Hardly ever see them in-game though, I actually see more H models (dont know why)...

It's probably because of the way WoT restructured the German heavy line. You can only get to the Tiger(P) via the unpopular VK3001P whereas the most direct route to the Tiger is via the more popular VK3601H. Since the Tiger leads to the Tiger II and then the E-75 it's not hard to see why many people bypass the Tiger(P).

Starne, on Mar 11 2012 - 18:45, said:

I didn't hate the Tiger(H), but I absolutely love the Tiger(P). It's a much more forgiving tank, mainly because you can rely on it's frontal armor to bounce a lot of shots. The Tiger(H)'s armor is much less reliable unless you keep the hull parked at some extreme angle.

While I agree with this, I wonder how much difference the post-7.0 reworking of the Tiger's armour has helped it. I did my penance in the Tiger a long time ago and detested evey second of it.

[Lakel]

From my experience in this thing, angling the P's front armor actually works against you, unless you are on a corner where you can hide those corners, guns seem to have 0 issue going through there, where a flat 200mm plate bounces them nicely.