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[Time4U2die]

First off I’ll admit that I’m a noob and possibly I’m looking at this wrong.

I’m working my way to the T-50-2 (still need about 8k ep). Last night I’m having a pretty good battle in my T-50. I had 1 kill, 2 damages and 6 detected. I’d taken a couple of hits so I’m down to about 10 hp remaining. My team is decimated just me and one heavy, he’s sitting way off in the corner not moving. Our opponent has at least 10 tanks remaining.

At this point I’m just trying to stay alive and get to the next battle. The enemy has started a quick cap and I start getting grief from one of my dead teammates for not continuing the fight. He tells me to stop hiding, go scout! The field is full of tier VIIIs and IXs and I’m basically alone.

This is not the first time this sort of thing has happened to me. It seems to me that many players have no idea the challenges that a light tank operator faces. Don’t get me wrong I love this little tank and much to my surprise I’ve found that this tier IV tank can sometimes really contribute even in a high level match but only if you really pay attention.

I’ve done the basic suicide run more than a few times but that gets old and really takes no skill. To me the real challenge is to contribute (light up a few, ding a few, kill an arty) and every once in awhile get out alive.

Like I said I’m new so if I’m playing wrong let me have it.  

Thanks

[roflcopterdown]

In the situation you described I would'nt sweat it. Sounds like the one other tank was to far away or afk. You were NOT going to do much if you did poke out. So you saved a few credits in repairs. IMO you did ok. However that being said, there is NO END to the opinions of self proclaimed experts in this game.

[Ironmonger69]

The only thing you could do at that point would be try to sip by and snag some base defense points/xp and maybe a Defender medal, or go hunt arty if there is any.  Other than that, fuggedaboutit.  Next time ask them what their lazy tail is doing dead.

[Thornir]

Ironmonger69, on Jan 19 2012 - 21:30, said:

The only thing you could do at that point would be try to sip by and snag some base defense points/xp and maybe a Defender medal, or go hunt arty if there is any.  Other than that, fuggedaboutit.  Next time ask them what their lazy tail is doing dead.

i agree. The dead lost their voice in the game when they died. They can help you see things or make helpful suggestions, otherwise they can safely be ignored.

I think the right answer in situations like this is to try and do SOMETHING. To hide and save yourself a few credits of repair cost is contrary to the spirit of true competition, in my mind.

I can't speak for anyone else (and any more, i find it shocking how few share my views), but i am not interested in a victory where my opponent didn't do their best. I want it to mean something when i win, and want the game to say something about me if i lose.

Don't quit.

Ever.

[Moonrider]

Given the same situation, I'd probably find a place to snipe the cap and go for a few more damage points and make things as difficult as possible for the opposing team. That's just me though. I might get my butt whipped, but I've always tried to make sure doing so was an unpleasant,  painful endeavor.

[theshiyal]

Yeah you were good.  

[Marauder99]

The reality of the situation was simple.  The battle was lost and nothing you could do would alter the outcome.  You lacked the firepower and hit points to do anything truly useful, so at that point, it's just sheer bravado to barrel in and die in a hail of shells.  I drive scouts all the time because they are my favorite type of tank and while it can be so much fun to drive them and contribute to the team, it can be one of the most frustrating vehicles to have, especially when you are scouting for people that don't seem to have any ability to react to all the intelligence that you're providing the team.  

There's nothing more aggravating to me than lighting up a large enemy force on one side of the map and then seeing that the majority of your team is merrily chugging off in the other direction and no amount of pinging or messages changes that.  Then the slaughter begins and you're left as one of the last tanks, with dead tanks now providing you will all sorts of sage wisdom.

Long and the short of it is, I die all the time in my T-50, T-50-2, VK2801 and AMX 13 75, but I won't normally just throw myself at the enemy for the express purpose of dying in a situation where there there is nothing more I can do.  The team lost, so whether I live or die is irrelevant at that point.  So just ignore the "experts".  It's your tank, so you drive it the way you see best.

[pilot_mcbride]

Marauder99, on Jan 20 2012 - 16:51, said:

The reality of the situation was simple.  The battle was lost and nothing you could do would alter the outcome.  You lacked the firepower and hit points to do anything truly useful, so at that point, it's just sheer bravado to barrel in and die in a hail of shells.  I drive scouts all the time because they are my favorite type of tank and while it can be so much fun to drive them and contribute to the team, it can be one of the most frustrating vehicles to have, especially when you are scouting for people that don't seem to have any ability to react to all the intelligence that you're providing the team.  

There's nothing more aggravating to me than lighting up a large enemy force on one side of the map and then seeing that the majority of your team is merrily chugging off in the other direction and no amount of pinging or messages changes that.  Then the slaughter begins and you're left as one of the last tanks, with dead tanks now providing you will all sorts of sage wisdom.

Long and the short of it is, I die all the time in my T-50, T-50-2, VK2801 and AMX 13 75, but I won't normally just throw myself at the enemy for the express purpose of dying in a situation where there there is nothing more I can do.  The team lost, so whether I live or die is irrelevant at that point.  So just ignore the "experts".  It's your tank, so you drive it the way you see best.

Let's pop this one up again.....
Never a truer word spoken than these from Marauder.
I am an old fart (>50) and love this game, and love the T-50. Scouting is brilliant, make no bones about it.

Time4u2die and all others that read this post, please ignore the acid comments coming from your dead comrades. You will find that the good guys will give you advice and support, and call the game from the back of your tank. That my friend is part of the game, and I enjoy these comments, but sadly I also spend a good amount of time telling other abusive 'commentators' to please shut up, as they are neither helpful nor contributing to the game.

Compliments work much better than abuse, I compliment good kill shots on me because my T-50 has no brakes and continually moving, 'cept for track hits of course, lol.

Straighten up Time and all who feel they are being singled out by those who think they know better. Remember that these guys, generally through their own stupidity are dead and feel that they need to take their frustrations out on someone. You, however have shown that you have better skills than these abusers and to them, that sux big time. You survived, they didn't.

Hold your head high pal!! Enjoy the game and let the abusers' comments go over your head mate.

Just for the record, I'm a noob as well. Everyone was a noob, trouble is that some just do not grow up and demand their right to display their immaturity, lack of intelligence and knowledge of the game to an international audience.

<sighs> You can always tell those who don't, or have never played cricket.......

[Time4U2die]

pilot_mcbride, on Feb 02 2012 - 03:06, said:

Let's pop this one up again.....
Never a truer word spoken than these from Marauder.
I am an old fart (>50) and love this game, and love the T-50. Scouting is brilliant, make no bones about it.

Time4u2die and all others that read this post, please ignore the acid comments coming from your dead comrades. You will find that the good guys will give you advice and support, and call the game from the back of your tank. That my friend is part of the game, and I enjoy these comments, but sadly I also spend a good amount of time telling other abusive 'commentators' to please shut up, as they are neither helpful nor contributing to the game.

Compliments work much better than abuse, I compliment good kill shots on me because my T-50 has no brakes and continually moving, 'cept for track hits of course, lol.

Straighten up Time and all who feel they are being singled out by those who think they know better. Remember that these guys, generally through their own stupidity are dead and feel that they need to take their frustrations out on someone. You, however have shown that you have better skills than these abusers and to them, that sux big time. You survived, they didn't.

Hold your head high pal!! Enjoy the game and let the abusers' comments go over your head mate.

Just for the record, I'm a noob as well. Everyone was a noob, trouble is that some just do not grow up and demand their right to display their immaturity, lack of intelligence and knowledge of the game to an international audience.

<sighs> You can always tell those who don't, or have never played cricket.......

Thanks for the support. I now pilot a spanky new T-50-2 and I still get grief but I don't doubt myself anymore. I love this little tank it reminds me of my Jack Russell (tough little bastard). ;-)

[Saxster]

I'll give you some grief -- my KV just hit a fast moving T-50-2, 2x with a 107mm, which anyone will tell you takes some doing -- and it lived and then came back and killed me when I was wounded.  So, as he poured salt into my wounds, I'm going to pour some here.  

I can take that tank being ludicrously fast.

I can NOT take the fact that it survived one of the most dangerous guns in Tier V.

Now, I'm going to go back and refit KV with the 152mm and go hunt some race car drivers.

If any devs happen to read this, good.  The Russian Bias is alive and well.

[Tzimon]

Saxster, on Feb 06 2012 - 03:39, said:

I'll give you some grief -- my KV just hit a fast moving T-50-2, 2x with a 107mm, which anyone will tell you takes some doing -- and it lived and then came back and killed me when I was wounded.  So, as he poured salt into my wounds, I'm going to pour some here.  

I can take that tank being ludicrously fast.

I can NOT take the fact that it survived one of the most dangerous guns in Tier V.

Now, I'm going to go back and refit KV with the 152mm and go hunt some race car drivers.

If any devs happen to read this, good.  The Russian Bias is alive and well.

LOL.. KV driver complaining about a T-50-2 and citing Russian bias...rofl

[Marauder99]

Saxster, on Feb 06 2012 - 03:39, said:

I'll give you some grief -- my KV just hit a fast moving T-50-2, 2x with a 107mm, which anyone will tell you takes some doing -- and it lived and then came back and killed me when I was wounded.  So, as he poured salt into my wounds, I'm going to pour some here.  

I can take that tank being ludicrously fast.

I can NOT take the fact that it survived one of the most dangerous guns in Tier V.

Now, I'm going to go back and refit KV with the 152mm and go hunt some race car drivers.

If any devs happen to read this, good.  The Russian Bias is alive and well.

Ok, let's try a simple math experiment and see if we can't explain how this might have happend...

Minimum Hit points on the T 50-2 (at 100% health) = 500
Average damage of 107mm gun = 300 , 2 shots = 600 avg
so
while 500<600 it is close enough that if you get a bad damage roll, he's not quite dead.  Those bad rolls happen all the time

In other words, you should not expect that a T 50-2 at 100% will normally be 1-shotted by a 107mm and it's not too far out of the realm of possiblity that 2 shots doesn't do the job either.

I have both of those tanks and I can tell you that 1 on 1 the 50-2 will eat you alive unless you manage to track and damage it on the first shot it and then get a second solid shot in before he closes on you.  In fact, I've found that an unprotected KV is a really easy kill.  Yes, it takes a few shots but it is completely helpless in the open and by itself.  So team up or you have to be in such a position that he can't circle you before you can hit him twice (or three times of you get a bad roll of the old damage die).  

With the KV, you are driving one of the most powerful tier 5 tanks in the game, if not the most powerful, so please don't complain about any other tanks at your tier because you aren't going to get much sympathy.  

What it all comes down to is if you want to be fairly sure of a 1 shot,then do as you suggested, switch to the 152mm derp, but be warned...

DON"T MISS!

[karlis]

I agree with the comments about ignoring the ghosts on the battle field.  Also, its your tank, do what you like.  

If there is no chance of stopping the cap, I choose to let the cappers share those points, rather than give someone a kill at my expense.  

If there is any chance of a draw, go for that as well - They have to find me to get the win - no freebies.

[impala1]

I agree with most of you, mates... i've got T-50 and 50-2 but i love T-50 more (that's my opinion)

When I'm in battle, I really dont care much about ghosts in the feilds excepts there are good advices...

About the KV, I can kill them most of the time with out any support... but to be honest, I CAN'T take out Churchill 1 on 1...

I was in a game where my team got only me and a Pz IV left... enemy's team still have a Churchill (at 8x% hp) a Su-85, a T-46, and a hetzer... Pz IV was engaged with Churchill near their base, I was hiding near our base to protect.... and there was a wave of Su-85, hetzer and T-46 coming to cap... and a take the risk... i ran to them at lock T-46 target first... luckily I kill him with 1 shot (he got low hp already)... then I lock target on Hetzer because he got low hp too... it took me like 3 circles to kill hetzer... then I easily took out Su-85 in 1 on 1 game... Their Churchill killed Pz IV too... so there were only me(T-50) and a Churchill (about 75%) i was waiting near my base for him to cap (first time 1 on 1 with Churhill) when he cap, i ran to him but he shot me twince before i can circle him... i hit him like more than 20 times but i barely can pen him... his turret moves fast... reload fast... finally, he kill me after about 1:30 circling him... and i have to say... that was a good game...

[99VulcansHammers]

Time4U2die, on Jan 19 2012 - 21:20, said:

First off I’ll admit that I’m a noob and possibly I’m looking at this wrong.

I’m working my way to the T-50-2 (still need about 8k ep). Last night I’m having a pretty good battle in my T-50. I had 1 kill, 2 damages and 6 detected. I’d taken a couple of hits so I’m down to about 10 hp remaining. My team is decimated just me and one heavy, he’s sitting way off in the corner not moving. Our opponent has at least 10 tanks remaining.

At this point I’m just trying to stay alive and get to the next battle. The enemy has started a quick cap and I start getting grief from one of my dead teammates for not continuing the fight. He tells me to stop hiding, go scout! The field is full of tier VIIIs and IXs and I’m basically alone.

This is not the first time this sort of thing has happened to me. It seems to me that many players have no idea the challenges that a light tank operator faces. Don’t get me wrong I love this little tank and much to my surprise I’ve found that this tier IV tank can sometimes really contribute even in a high level match but only if you really pay attention.

I’ve done the basic suicide run more than a few times but that gets old and really takes no skill. To me the real challenge is to contribute (light up a few, ding a few, kill an arty) and every once in awhile get out alive.

Like I said I’m new so if I’m playing wrong let me have it.  

Thanks

By the time those conditions arise in a game each team knows where the enemy is anyway. You were probally hit on the tracks  and your speed would have been reduced, resulting in a easy kill for the enemy. I have over 2K games in my T-50 I would have done the same.