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And that's all I'm doing with it.

Ok guys, let me break this down a bit as I'm well versed with the AMX M4. I did not free XP past any French heavy EXCEPT the last bit of the ARL grind (15 some-odd game losing streak drove me over the edge). Unlock everything on the ARL save for that 105, then get the AMX M4. Ignore the fact it is called a heavy, it is a French version of the German Panther! Play the AMX M4 like this and you will be satisfied. It is not quite as speedy as the Panther or as well armored, but the top 90mm is a fearsome gun and quite accurate. Play this the same way you'd play a Panther - as a sniper. Avoid close combat UNLESS the enemy is distracted by other tanks on your team - in this role the AMX M4 is actually a big threat unlike the Panther with its low damage/high RoF gun. The AMX M4 can fill in roles as a support tank or a sniper both excellently. Never play this as a front liner tank or you will be shredded, you only have 90mm frontal armor. That said, angle this frontal armor at every opportunity - the 90mm armor can bounce shots if you back off and angle out as you retreat to reload (If peek-a-boo'ing).

If you ask me, the AMX M4 is much better than the ARL. Sure, ARL has better hull armor, but the treads are very exposed and it becomes tracked easily - and most attempts to angle the ARL's frontal armor will result in the tracks being hit many times. AMX M4 is much more difficult to track comparatively, and it mounts the same gun as the ARL (Which is in reality, a bit too powerful for tier 6 - but hey, if the T5 French TD gets it...why not?). The ARL is a sluggish tank, the AMX M4 is much speedier. The extra HP of the AMX M4 also allows it to take a few more hits, but if played properly you should be sniping enemies and they get no shots off at you (This is true with all French tanks unless you're moving in for a risky flanking maneuver). The one thing the AMX M4 cannot do is stand off with enemy tanks if you're the last one left and you're focus fired. I find the teams I'm on fail and when this occurs with the AMX M4 it's very difficult to recover unless your team took the enemy team down to much lower health.

I have a fluctuating 44%/45% win rate in this tank with 150ish battles, so I truly do have more losses than wins - however I am serious when I say this tank is a team player tank. If your team falls apart, don't expect to turn the battle back - 240 a shot is nice to take down enemies piece by piece but by no means are you going to wreck an enemy tank or be capable of sustaining their shots. I have IMHO reasonably good stats with the AMX M4 save the win rate which I am working to improve and am doing so day by day. I also have an ace tanker badge with the AMX M4 FWIW. My AMX M4 is elite except for the 105. Seriously, there are far worse French tanks to use than the AMX M4. For me, AMX 40 was unbearable as was the low tier artillery and the UE 57 T3 TD. French tanks are definitely not for beginners, but learn to master them and you can have a great time - the AMX M4 is the tank that kills you from across the map and chips away your health with big chunks while you have no idea what's shooting you.
Edited by Saxton_Hale, Jul 08 2012 - 23:16.

I had grinded through the tank thrice - first time for tracks, turret, and big engine, the second time for AMX 50 100, and the third time for the AMX M4 1948.

Surely my win rate is beyond help now, but the tank is more than workable. It is the initial impression that short out the fuse of most people and get them to free EXP through/give up the line entirely.

I kind of like mine, not enough for a keeper but it feels much better than the ARL. Sure the ARL has that front plate but anyone who knows where to shoot will just aim for the turret unless its a much higher tier and will pen anyways. AMX feels more nimble for a heavy and uses the same guns better (90 with better reload and aim time? yes please). Either way both are second line sniper/support and shouldnt be in front unless your the biggest on your team.

 Saxton_Hale, on Jul 08 2012 - 23:13, said:

- Much lower top speed, slightly worse acceleration
- Less HP
- Big fat turret that's a massive shot trap
- .36 acc vs .32 acc, worse aim time, much slower reload
- Worse view range
- Worse matchmaking


Highly disagree with your assessment. Only thing in common is very similar hull layout, with very different turret, mobility, and firepower setups. AMX tries to be a Tiger I with 5 more km/hr top speed (roughly the same acceleration), but with a less accurate gun, terrible side armor (cannot angle front at all due to 40mm side) and turret, significantly less HP. The only striking feature of this tank is the relatively high pen for a tier 7 (212mm), but I'll take the better accuracy on the Panther/Tiger any day over the extra 9 or 14 mm penetration. The benefits are very negligible, has slightly better front armor when head on, otherwise I'll take being able to angle my front 100mm and an extra 250 hit points. Acceleration is almost always more important than top speed (unless there is a massive top speed difference, 35 vs 30 is not), and the Tiger I is about the same or better, so IMO it still lacks the mobility to warrant the low HP and defense.

If they increased the HitP to roughly 1300-1350 and bumped its top speed to 37-38 with reduced fire chance I might reconsider this as an actual heavy to consider playing at tier 7.
Edited by Waphlez, Jul 10 2012 - 11:31.

 Waphlez, on Jul 10 2012 - 11:20, said:

but it can do hulldown now thanks to the -10degs depression buff. In some maps having this kind of depression is really great. Terrain/covers will be your armor.

I find it a good tank even before the buff(yes, that horrible -5degs depression, even worse than the Tiger's -6)
Edited by vit12345, Jul 10 2012 - 12:57.

I'm kind of wishing I kept my BDR, was I rocking with that things 105.  Thought I'd do okay with the ARL.... it had it's moments were I saw glimmers of hope.  But in the end, I finally got fed up with trying to like it and sold it.

And now, I have an AMX M4 fully upgraded, and I can't seem to figure out wtf I'm doing wrong with it.  It's accuracy doesn't make it a great sniper for long range, only mid ranges.  It doesn't quite have enough alpha to make it work risking the ranges in which it's gun works consistantly.


I feel just so... in effective in this damn thing.  Any other tier 7 I've driven, I was capable of pulling off truly epic and heroic moments.  But this thing, just can't find a sweet spot that works for it.

Please tell me if anyone else has noticed this: I keep getting tier 10/9 battles. I thought I was imagining it, so I've been writing it down. I've done 64 battles. In those, 54 have been with at least one tier 9. 41 of them with a tier 10 (at least one) and 18 of them with 2 or more tier 10s.
This tank is cursed, isn't it?
Can't do a damn thing in 90% of the games I play, and get 1-2 shot. still 60% ish win rate, though!?

I've got games where I literally tore enemies' butt real bad I sent them to hospital for seven days.

Guess crews play a part too (My crews are 100% repairs and 78% at their second skills)

In all my time playing and all my vehicles elites, yes I elite each and every vehicle, I took one look at the stats in the amx m4 and skipped with all my free xp. Not one battle in it this is the first time I've ever done that before. The silver lining? My amx 50 100 looks at tier 10 vehicles and says yum.

can't wait to buy my AMX M4, i love the arl-44 so much. Dunno M4 play style, but i hope its played like my arl. I surely never sell my arl when its elited, ill need a fun tank when things goes bad with other tank heheh

and yes, success are related to the play style and country , i have almost no success with USA tank and german tank.

Learn french tank, and rule the match !

 Josephbones, on Jul 23 2012 - 12:08, said:

It's not like ARL...you lose your frontal protection but gain more speed.

Also, DCA 45 performs considerably better.

Someone complaining that the Tiger H is better than their tank?

What has this world come to?

 Riceygringo, on Jul 23 2012 - 17:20, said:

Driving one for a prolonged period of time will have a chance for you to ask for the Tiger H.

I wholeheartedly admit not being a good player (48% average victories), but I don't believe I played a tank more gruesome to grind than this tank.  No matter how I slice it and dice, I can't even get a 30% victory rate with that tank.  I'd give up if it was not for the reward awaiting after it.

Yeah IMO it should get a 20mm armor buff on both the hull and turret if it isn't going to get a 100/105mm with 200 pen.