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I posted this in the EU forum but the activity is a bit too low for an accurate public opinion.

I hear a lot of whining about the french tanks being overpowered and the claim being "backed up" by a 56% win rate. What i don't see is the mass of players complaining about the T14 being underpowered even though the difference in win ratio is the same, but in the other direction.

WG have announced that they will "rebalance" the french to bring them in line so why can't they do the same for the T14?

I suggest the following changes:
increase the gun penetration by 10 mm (this will also improve the beta sherman)
increase gun accuracy to 0.37
increase frontal armor by 10 mm (this will prevent 150mm guns from penetrating due to the caliber => 3x armor mechanic)
increase side armor by 2 mm
decrease rear armor by 5 mm
increase weight and suspension capacity by 1 ton to compensate for the heavier armor (will also improve ramming damage)
increase hull traverse by 2 deg/sec

Stats after change:
gun: damage 110/110/175 pen 102/127/37 accuracy 0.37
Turret: 101/101/101 30 deg/sec View range 380 meter
Hull: 60/52/45 48.76 tons
Suspension: traverse 22 deg/sec capacity 50.8 tons
Engine: 720 horsepowers 20% fire 34 km/h top speed
Radio: 650 meter

EDIT: modified the buff suggestion

This isn't a huge change but i think it would bring it in line with other tier 5 premiums. Think about it, if someone asks you what tier 5 premium to buy, what would you recommend? I'm pretty sure it won't be the T14

i would give it +10 mm armour all-arround , give it less HP 680  but 15% of catching on fire
and a little more faster tracks maybe 25-26
no gun improvment

I think the armor is pretty much fine (with the exception of that 150-152 mm guns always pen, no matter what) but I am missing those extra 10 mm pennetration and a small improvment to accuracy. If you increase the armor you would reduce the agility, making the gun less effective and i don't think that is what we want.

EDIT: I have played the T14 a lot, but not on the NA server. Go look at the EU instead.

Buff frontal plate 50mm, increase weight a little, increase load capacity. Suddenly, you have an awesome tank.

My other idea was to put the Jagdtiger gun on it.

I love my T14 and hate it at the same time, to the same degree.  Anyhow, bumping the accuracy and the armor (it's only 2mm for pity's sake!) are all the improvement it needs in my mind.

If this got 100mm frontal armor it would be a bit op. With slope it would be 150mm and if you angle it 220mm.... That would teach those KVs a lesson, lol

 xCaptainObviousx, on Feb 03 2012 - 13:20, said:

But suddenly you become as mobile as a KV.

I don't think you can change the penetration on the gun since the Lee uses the same gun as well(yea ik I thought it had a unique premium version of the gun too).
But accuracy and RoF should see a buff and the extra 2mm of armor shouldn't add a terrible amount of weight. I mean, the Panther and the PzV-IV have been uparmored without noticeable weight increases.

Actually, the gun have the same stats as the lee but it's not the same. It's the same gun as the beta sherman use. Buffing it wouldn't effect the lee.

 xCaptainObviousx, on Feb 04 2012 - 20:58, said:

Well, that is what the wiki said. The 75mm Gun M3L/37. That's what they all use.
Same with the Tankopedia and it is the same in game, the 75mm Gun M3L/37.
I know it seems like it shouldn't be that way but that is the case. Also your very very VERY unlikely to get a pen buff from the devs unless it's a tier X gun on a tier X(or IX end tier) tank.
They really don't like changing penetration values for balance, just look at the German meds.

I don't have a T-14 myself, but I'd gladly welcome any changes that also improve my coveted Weird Sherman ^__^

If you look at the gun info ingame you will find that it is compatible with the T14 and the beta m4. Sure, it have the same name but it isn't the same gun.

 xCaptainObviousx, on Feb 05 2012 - 00:01, said:

But you can't have two guns of the same name in game with different stats. They have to have some kind of name change to identify them. This is how it has always been in game.

T14 turret ring could accept 76mm guns and 105mm howitzers BTW. It'd be best if it received the B1 treatment; make it T4 and limit the highest tank it could see to T5.

 FaustianQ, on Feb 05 2012 - 01:02, said:

It would actually make a fantastic tier 4 heavy tank now that I think about it.

Simple fix for the "same gun" problem: change the name. Is it really that hard?

Moving it to tier 4 would make it more OP than the KV. 2shot most oponents while bouncing 80-90% of all enemy shells.... and unlike the KV it's mobile and reloads in 3.18 seconds.

Mounting the 76 mm or the 105 would make it as good or better than the T1. (Yes I would like this, but premiums are supposed to be inferior to regular tanks)

Maybe they should make it "upgradeable" like the E-100? You can research the 76 mm m1a1e2 (m1a1 with nerfed rof) and the 105 mm howitzer for a large ammount of xp (like 55'000 per gun0

 xCaptainObviousx, on Feb 05 2012 - 10:27, said:

How would it be OP in T4? The gun is the same gun as the M3 Lees gun, and the armor on the T14 is extremely uninspiring - 51mm @ 56°, for 78mm effective ingame. This isn't much (if at all) better then the B1 or B2 it'd end up competing with. You can screw around with mobility and MM to prevent silly match ups, but the T5 does not belong at T5 as a premium tank.

Finally, all premium tanks have historic configurations, so while the T14 could mount a 76mm or 105mm, since it was never done before interest in the project died, the developers won't do it.

Have you driven a T14? If you had you would know that you are almost invuncible to guns with less than 110 mm pen. The lee gun is also very good at tier 4 (looking at everything that isn't the t-28)

I bought one when they were half price a few weeks ago, but sold it again after a couple of battles. T14 needs something to distinguish it a bit more. I understand that it's basically just a Sherman with heavier armour, and while the armour works pretty well against lower tiers it's not enough to make the tank worthwhile, in my opinion.

Compared to Churchill, Ram II, Matilda, even Beta Sherman, it's a bit lacklustre. Against any Tech Tree Tier 5 it's hopelessly outclassed.

 lostwingman, on Feb 05 2012 - 00:35, said:

Nope, all premium tanks use different guns. They have different ID #s and end in _A. Display name (a localisation string) isn't the same thing as internal name.

e: though it'd make 0 sense. Can not v should not, etc.