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Edit - I've already responded on the EU boards!  

In my opinion, it needs:

A gun buff with accuracy at .37 and penetration around 100
Increased viewrange (although having it low makes sense with the overall lack of viewports)
A slight armor increase, mostly frontally (52 seems barely an upgrade, maybe 55?)
Matchmaking comparable to the Ram
An ammo rack hp buff (mine gets knocked out a lot since 7.0)

I think the tracks and engine are fine for a premium, turret is good, and ROF is decent.  Putting it at tier 4 seems too much, as the t14 fits into the "stronger than same tier stock tank but weaker than it elited one" category.

Exactly, I don't want it nerfed to fit tier 4. Then it would be even more KVbait.

The main problem with this tank is the 75mm gun, it is just not effective enough to allow the T14 to defend itself or take its armor on a offensive raid.


Right now the tank has to sit back and be a mobile pill box, and pick off smaller lower tier tanks,while trying* to avoid anything its same tier or higher.


Its just not effective at anything.

Yeah, I agree. That gun is okay (barely) on the Beta Sherman because it has the mobility to get better firing positions. And while Churchill has much worse mobility, its gun can at least penetrate its peers frontally.

Yup, i would recommend to OP's changes,with a slight adjustment (enhancement) to the 75mm in accuracy and pen.



Little things can have big impacts, and this big tank needs it. Especially considering we paid money for it.  

Bunch of premiums need a buff or complete rework

T14, Beta sherman, Pz V/IV etc

I still enjoy using my T14, and I also have a Ram tank. The match maker seems to favour the T14 way more than the ram. Nearly every battle the ram is in the bottom 5 and quite often my T14 is in the top 5. I drive a prem tank to give experience and gain credits. Dont think the idea is to pay for pain.

I'd consider buying a T14 if it looked like a viable tank.

I love my T14, it's much faster than you expect it to be. It's a heavy with 15 hp/ton so it accelerates quickly and keep the speed even when going uphill.
I can pen KVs frontally but i either have to be close or lucky as the accuracy doesn't allow me to hit weakspots reliably.

EDIT: I think the look is the definition of a "brick tank", if you play EVE you get the pun.

As a note I am reading Osprey's "M26-M46 Pershing Tank 1945-1954" and apparently the T14 was intended to have 100mm of frontal armor. They make a note of saying that several times in the book as the later creation of the Pershing intended it to have the same amount of frontal hull armor.

All you have to look at is the gun to know that it's garbage,

While I do think that this big guy could really use a buff, I don't think nerfing it down into tier 4 is the right option. This thing would be just obscene as a tier 4 heavy; its front armor is essentially beyond the scope of any tier 4 to pen reliability and its 75mm gun would rank as being among the best tier 4 guns in the game. Only the Lee and T-28 would have the same or better firepower [TD's not withstanding], and they have their own issues.

You are right, the frontal armor should be buffed more than 2 mm. Let's say by 15-25 mm, but remove 5 mm from the rear.

 xCaptainObviousx, on Feb 05 2012 - 10:27, said:

Actually you wouldn't even have to do that.

The T14, as most of us know, was a failed joint project between the US and the UK, so obviously some British influence there. Now, the Ram-II was designed and built in Canada which is a Commonwealth nation and, interestingly, a British tank expert was employed in the design phase. So again, a prominent British influence.

You may ask "where the hell is he going with this?" Well, a very prominent and prolific gun at that time was the QF 6 pounder III  which both of these tanks were either designed or built to mount and the in game Ram-II already mounts one (as does the Churchill, a Soviet employed British tank) so switching from the 75mm M3L/37 to the 6 pounder would give the T14 a better gun and still be in keeping with historical accuracy.

An interesting fact is the 6 pounder practically parallels OP's improved gun stats...

6 pounder

105/170______Average penetration (mm)
75/75________Average damage
0,38_________Accuracy at 100m (m)

OP's wish list

102/127/37___Average penetration (mm)
110/110/175__Average damage
0.37_________Accuracy at 100m (m)

Admittedly the 6 pounder has a higher RoF than the 75mm but I feel that is balanced out by the fact it deals less average damage per shot.

Well, that's my take on improving the T14 and even if everything else was left as is I would definitely buy one...there ya go WG, do this and you've already made a profit right there   .

But I like oneshotting tier 3 TDs and arty with HE, it have saved my life and secured the victory multiple times.

 B4BYR4C3R, on Feb 07 2012 - 07:07, said:

Everything I have read on the matter has said three guns were to be tested on the tank, the 75mm, the 76mm, and the 105mm.
Plus, there is no way the Americans would a have gone with a tank without an HE shell...

 lostwingman, on Feb 07 2012 - 08:36, said:

I won't dispute that those 3 were to be tested but from references I have had in the past point to 4 guns, one of which was the 6 pounder. Remember this was a joint project and the Poms loved their 6 pounder, no way they were going to use a 'Yank' gun on something they had a hand in   No doubt the US would have used the 75 and the Brits the 6 pounder.

Follow this link and click on the Specs tab, this is the site I use for most of my info. Incidentally that page cites 2 books I had in the past as some of the sources used so I trust it.

 lostwingman, on Feb 07 2012 - 08:36, said:

There is one precedent in game that I know of that says otherwise - the M7 medium has a 6 pounder option. Historically one of the 4 prototypes mounted one.

But as it is an AMERICAN premium it shouldn't mount a british gun, that would make it a british premium.

And the M7 is in the US Medium/Light tree, it still gets the 6 pdr as an option. Certainly like the idea better than buffing the 75, it's historically accurate and would make the tank a lot more fun. Of course, in Beta when you didn't have to pay for gold, I ran a T14 with gold ammo. Now that was an great tank. Only thing I was really scared of were KVs with the KV2 turret.

The biggest problem I see with a 6 pdr on the T14 is that it kinda steps on the Churchills toes.