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[Nishith]

As it is most people think the T30 is the worst tier 10. When it goes to tier 9 TD, if it keeps the same stats, we will get a crappy TD with no armor, camo,and not enough speed to make a difference. Just because it was a terrible tier 10 doesn't mean the devs should just screw it even more and make it a tier nine, because then it will be even worse against tanks on its tier and up. I think the T30 should get a speed buff, and the AT version of the T7, the one the T95 has. It should also have a turret speed of at least 25, so it would have an advantage at dealing with medium tanks(compared to the other Tier 9's). Why a speed buff? First off all, because the lower tiers in the 2nd TD line are going to be VERY fast, so the T30 should follow that trait. 2nd off all, it would be the fastest tier 9 TD, which would give it somewhat of an advantage. As for the gun, the T30's version of the T7 is considered "buggy". It makes a lot of strange bounces and "Ghost Shells". I would know, because I bounced a T30 shot off of my stock KV-3. As far as I know the T95's gun has none of these problems. As for camo, the T30 is huge, it should have only a bit more camo than a Jagdtiger, that is, next to none. Nothing can change that. However, I think if the T30 recieved all these buffs, it would be a nice TD (even if it does only get 1600 hp).

[SuperJaws100]

Wait, Teir 9 TD? WHAT HAPPENED TO T95????


Dont tell me they are replacing it with a tank....


But anyway I think the T30 should be greatly modified if it will stand up to a "TD" standard. It will need serious camo increase as well as a better gun. It will need more speed (maybe as a purchase-able engine...).

[Nishith]

 SuperJaws100, on Feb 05 2012 - 21:09, said:

Wait, Teir 9 TD? WHAT HAPPENED TO T95????


Dont tell me they are replacing it with a tank....


But anyway I think the T30 should be greatly modified if it will stand up to a "TD" standard. It will need serious camo increase as well as a better gun. It will need more speed (maybe as a purchase-able engine...).

Ty, for replying +1. But I think you've got it wrong. In update 7.2 a new TD line for USA is being added, with T30 as the tier 9 TD. The tier 10 T30 is going to be replaced by the T110E5( I think that's what it's called)

[Musmulica]

i think i read somewhere that armour will stay same , but its gona get more anlged ! so that means more chance for a bounce and speed buff , and JT camo but nothing is sure until 7.2 is up and running

[Nishith]

 Musmulica, on Feb 05 2012 - 21:24, said:

i think i read somewhere that armour will stay same , but its gona get more anlged ! so that means more chance for a bounce and speed buff , and JT camo but nothing is sure until 7.2 is up and running

REALLY??? That's pretty nice..I guess.

[zephoid]

the model is not changing at all. They are simply taking the T30, reducing HP, tweaking some combat stats, then throwing it into TD spot. It will have the same armor, same slope, same gun(tho probably T7 AT variant), and be pretty much the same tank. It is unlikely it will have better camo and no chance it will be faster. Probably slower if anything. But it will be teir 9.....

[Gaffield]

 zephoid, on Feb 06 2012 - 00:03, said:

gun(tho probably T7 AT variant)

I asked Overlord in the EU Q&A and it is unlikely to get the AT T7

[ksix]

 Nishith, on Feb 05 2012 - 21:02, said:

As it is most people think the T30 is the worst tier 10. When it goes to tier 9 TD, if it keeps the same stats, we will get a crappy TD with no armor, camo,and not enough speed to make a difference. Just because it was a terrible tier 10 doesn't mean the devs should just screw it even more and make it a tier nine, because then it will be even worse against tanks on its tier and up. I think the T30 should get a speed buff, and the AT version of the T7, the one the T95 has. It should also have a turret speed of at least 25, so it would have an advantage at dealing with medium tanks(compared to the other Tier 9's). Why a speed buff? First off all, because the lower tiers in the 2nd TD line are going to be VERY fast, so the T30 should follow that trait. 2nd off all, it would be the fastest tier 9 TD, which would give it somewhat of an advantage. As for the gun, the T30's version of the T7 is considered "buggy". It makes a lot of strange bounces and "Ghost Shells". I would know, because I bounced a T30 shot off of my stock KV-3. As far as I know the T95's gun has none of these problems. As for camo, the T30 is huge, it should have only a bit more camo than a Jagdtiger, that is, next to none. Nothing can change that. However, I think if the T30 recieved all these buffs, it would be a nice TD (even if it does only get 1600 hp).

I'll be fine with just a HP reduction and a good reduction to dispersion and aim time personally. Think about it, its a turreted TD. That alone is a massive advantage. I cannot tell you how many times a turret would of changed the outcome of a battle in my 704. Other than the T95 the Jagdtiger (glacis 200) and 704 (glacis 175) dont have great armor either.

[Nishith]

 ksix, on Feb 06 2012 - 08:17, said:

I'll be fine with just a HP reduction and a good reduction to dispersion and aim time personally. Think about it, its a turreted TD. That alone is a massive advantage. I cannot tell you how many times a turret would of changed the outcome of a battle in my 704. Other than the T95 the Jagdtiger (glacis 200) and 704 (glacis 175) dont have great armor either.

OK, but the thing is, the T30 does NOT have an amazing gun like the 704 or JT, it's "buggy". The whole point of a TD is to have a nice gun capable of crippling a tank in a single shot!

[lostwingman]

 ksix, on Feb 06 2012 - 08:17, said:

I'll be fine with just a HP reduction and a good reduction to dispersion and aim time personally. Think about it, its a turreted TD. That alone is a massive advantage. I cannot tell you how many times a turret would of changed the outcome of a battle in my 704. Other than the T95 the Jagdtiger (glacis 200) and 704 (glacis 175) dont have great armor either.

Except that the T30s dispersion is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. Good luck moving your turret to shoot something, the only think you can reliably hit moving your turret in a T30 is a Maus if it's up close.
Seriously, T30 is pretty borked.
There are soo many ways the T30 can get destroyed by the devs it's almost comical.

[ksix]

 lostwingman, on Feb 07 2012 - 01:47, said:

Except that the T30s dispersion is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.

Go back and read it more slowly.

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Good luck moving your turret to shoot something, the only think you can reliably hit moving your turret in a T30 is a Maus if it's up close.
Seriously, T30 is pretty borked.
There are soo many ways the T30 can get destroyed by the devs it's almost comical.

Since when is moving your turret while firing important criteria? Most tanks will miss if they shoot while moving their turret. The point is you dont need to rotate your entire fat ass of a TD to bring your cannon to bear and can react MUCH faster to threats. Similarly important you can park your hull for a quick back up behind cover and keep your cannon pointed which ever way you want. Ever been blocked and circle jerked by a medium or scout? Happened all the time in my 704. Wont happen with the T30.

[Nishith]

Come on guys! We need a lot more replies and support before the Devs even take a peek at this topic!

[Gary007]

dev don't read the forums and Overload give up on us long time ago

[Nishith]

 Gary007, on Feb 08 2012 - 05:20, said:

dev don't read the forums and Overload give up on us long time ago

Really? WOW! The devs should look at the forums occasionally!

[build_more_tanks]

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When it goes to tier 9 TD, if it keeps the same stats, we will get a crappy TD

Newsflash. It won't keep the same stats because the devs already stated that it will be heavily nerfed. Not only in HP (which is obvious), but also in maneurability, turret traverse and view range. On the other hand, it will receive a minor buff in accuracy.

[razielkaine]

all that is to be expected now it is a tier 9 td not 10 tank. too keep uits's stats blus it's td bonuses would be op.

[lostwingman]

 build_more_tanks, on Feb 09 2012 - 18:13, said:

Newsflash. It won't keep the same stats because the devs already stated that it will be heavily nerfed. Not only in HP (which is obvious), but also in maneurability, turret traverse and view range. On the other hand, it will receive a minor buff in accuracy.

Guess that means it will be worthless and will be a free ~2 million credits to buy the actually useful Russian tanks...

[Nishith]

OK, I guess I'm going to put a topic similiar to this in the suggestions forum. Maybe then the devs will read it! WE WANT JUSTICE  

[thetap]

It probably won't be a frontline TD (not that the old T30 was good at that anyway) like T95. It'll be like an Object 704 with a turret.

Also keep in mind that Tier 9 TDs also have a lighter weight in the matchmaker than both Tier 9 Heavies and Tier 9 Mediums.

[Nishith]

 thetap, on Feb 11 2012 - 00:41, said:

It probably won't be a frontline TD (not that the old T30 was good at that anyway) like T95. It'll be like an Object 704 with a turret.

Also keep in mind that Tier 9 TDs also have a lighter weight in the matchmaker than both Tier 9 Heavies and Tier 9 Mediums.

OK, but since the majority of end tier tanks are used mostly in CW, MM does not count like it does in the lower tiers (1-8)! Anyway, +1 for replying