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anna_tankgirl's Photo anna_tankgirl May 29 2012

 ColonelRoach, on Mar 03 2012 - 15:48, said:

Very funny.That thing is fatter than the Napoleon's weak POS. :Smile-tongue:

No that is clearly a prototype steampunk Dalek. lol

Seriously I would think the British Light Tank Mk I with variations would be most likely it looks like a tank and honestly a bit odd, I like odd the odd tanks tend to be the scariest in a fight over the that is a classic lady of a tank. Look at their tanks among the premiums they are odd looking and slow but often well regarded. That one would fit.
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Lisped's Photo Lisped May 29 2012

Apparently its the Vickers Med MK I.

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Znayut's Photo Znayut May 29 2012

Bad pic, you got some kinda boiling unit in front of the tan...


http://blog.sfgate.c.../12/monocle.jpg

Oh dear.
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mormon_boy's Photo mormon_boy May 30 2012

pros: scare noobs, 3 man turret, gun at least on par with the ms1, enough weight to drive over the walls and barricades in tier 1 maps(maybe), high enough profile to see over the walls and barricades in teir 1 maps
cons: slow(24kmp), no armor(6.25mm for the mk1 or 8mm if they fudge it and base it off the mk1A instead), high enough profile to be seen over the walls and barricades in teir1 maps
Edited by mormon_boy, May 30 2012 - 21:44.
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maxman1's Photo maxman1 May 31 2012

They could have given us the Mk. VI light tank, which had some armour and slope a decent selection of guns, but instead they gave us a tissue box.
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Redwing6's Photo Redwing6 Jun 02 2012

Here's the proposed British/Commonwealth Tech tree:

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They'll add branches as the develop it...
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maxman1's Photo maxman1 Jun 05 2012

Yeah I'm pretty sure everyone's seent hat by now.
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Mahdin's Photo Mahdin Jul 30 2012

Medium tank to start with YOLO!!
Edited by Mahdin, Jul 30 2012 - 07:32.
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Warfish's Photo Warfish Aug 01 2012

See the bottom right of this image (taken from the General Discussion Forum).

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Trophy_Wench's Photo Trophy_Wench Aug 02 2012

looks pret-ty sweet! :Smile_Default:
Edited by Trophy_Wench, Aug 02 2012 - 04:48.
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sourkraut's Photo sourkraut Aug 06 2012

 flyingmole, on Apr 06 2012 - 21:26, said:

some have said it would be the 'Little Willie' but i think not. It had no turret and it had a top speed of 2 miles per hour. I think it could be the British light tank mark 1:

http://www.wwiivehic...k-mk-i-01.png  

   http://mailer.fsu.ed...TankMarkIIA.jpg
Its been said it will be little willie. It originally had a turret and i beloive it mounted a 2 pounder. You can see were the turet was once ounted on it, what happened to it i wonder?
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razielkaine's Photo razielkaine Aug 06 2012

it wont be littke willy, the tree already shows the tier 1. not to mention it would be attrocious.
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pepe_trueno's Photo pepe_trueno Aug 10 2012

 RolandVH, on Aug 09 2012 - 20:22, said:


and this should be tier 5

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charlie9797's Photo charlie9797 Aug 17 2012

 Spanisharmada, on Apr 07 2012 - 00:08, said:

British Mark V WW1 tank?
slowest tank ingame then
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AfailingHORSE's Photo AfailingHORSE Aug 18 2012

 pepe_trueno, on Aug 10 2012 - 17:14, said:



and this should be tier 5


You really think the devs would want there t50-2 to have some serious competition??
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Dabomb48's Photo Dabomb48 Sep 11 2012

I have to say the Medium Mark I will be too overpowered Tier I tanks with a 47mm. I really think the tier I tank should be the:

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The Light tank Mark VI! The reason why I think it should be this tank over the MK.1 Medium tank is because the Medium Mark one is better suited as tier II tank with the 47mm gun. The Light Tank Mark VI however has an armor range of the other tier I light tanks and with guns that are well suited for a tier I. Even thought it will start with a .50 Vickers machine gun that does 19mm of pen, it can be quickly upgraded to a more suitable 15mm Machine gun that will have a high amount of rounds and overall better penetration than the 50. Vickers. I'd say the pen of the 15mm might be around 21-24 or so mm which is well suited for fighting tier I's without being overpowered.

Just to say this is what it I think the basic stats of both guns will be:

50. Vickers Machine gun:

Penetration: 19/0/0 (The zeros mean it cannot load that other specific shell)
Damage: 3/0/0
Rounds: 60

Overview of basic stats of 50. Vickers Machine gun: I'd say the gun with this stats will be an "ok" enough gun for a tier I, the 3 total damage may be weak, but with 6 whole bursts consisting of 10 bullets, you can pull of a total damage of 180. Pretty decent if you pen and do full damage with all the shots, but some will bounce.

15mm Besa Machine gun:

Penetration: 24/0/0
Damage: 6
Rounds: 35

15mm Besa Mcahine gun Overview: I'd say the 15mm will have better penetration for penning the weak spots or sides of tier II tanks and be able to deal damage more easily against tier Is. Overall the gun will do a total of 210 damage is higher than the 50. Vickers.

I'll have to say, the MK IV will be better tier I tank than the Mark I medium tank. Since the MK IV had 14mm armor max and 4mm armor least, it would prove an enemy or ally fit for a tier I duty.

The basic Overview for this tank is that it will have a good frontal armor thickness, but with weak sides and rear armor. It will be like the T1, meaning it will be fast and lightly armored, with a very good gun. The downside is it will be tall and wider than the other Tier I's meaning it can be hit easier and if flanked or tracked the tank will be killed very quickly.

This tank I will like it to be the first one for use once starting the British Tech Tree.
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Xlucine's Photo Xlucine Sep 11 2012

 Dabomb48, on Sep 11 2012 - 04:10, said:

I have to say the Medium Mark I will be too overpowered Tier I tanks with a 47mm. I really think the tier I tank should be the:

Not too dissimilar to the 45mm on the MS-1, and a lot easier to kill at long range because it's huge and has no armour. If I were you, I'd be worried about the ~94mm howitzer fitted to some MkI's. It is a very low-pressure weapon, and fired light shells for its size - roughly equivalent to the US 75mm gun. However, that still means a 175dmg derp at T1.
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Trophy_Wench's Photo Trophy_Wench Sep 11 2012

 Dabomb48, on Sep 11 2012 - 04:10, said:

I have to say the Medium Mark I will be too overpowered Tier I tanks with a 47mm. I really think the tier I tank should be the:...


Once upon a time I would have agreed with you, but the problem now is twofold.
1) The Matilda Mk.1: The light Mk.VI actually gives this tank reason to exist in game. My original notes and plans surrounding the future British tech tree had both of these tanks in the tree, at tiers 1 and 2 respectively. Now, on the surface this was not so bad and I, like you vehimently defended the Mk.VI as the most sensible choice for tier 1 British tank. The Matilda I on the other hand, was not so easy. Once you move past the thick armor it is a genuinely piss poor tank for this game. Whats worse is the fact that its armament would be no better than whats avaliable on the Light Mk.VI and compareitvely far worse than any other tier 2 tank. Add to that its exposed suspension system and legendary slowness, and Matilda I is just a sitting duck of a tank taking up space in place of more effective tanks on your/ thier team. With that being said, what does this have to do with the Light Mk.VI you ask? Well as it turns out those same guns and the same general problems that the Matilda had are still somewhat prevalant on the Light Mk.VI which leads me to my next problem...
2) The British lacked small caliber tank guns: The primary AT gun mounted on, pretty much all British tanks at the start of the war was the OQF 2pdr., a 40mm gun. Anything smaller than that mounted on a tank was a machine gun of some sort. And while some of you might be saying 'Ah-ha Trophy_Wench! They also had a one and 1&1/2 pdr.(37mm) gun so clearly there was something smaller.' While this is true, on must bear in mind that the 'Pom-Pom' was developed at the turn of the century for use on ships or on wheeled artillery carrages. So if they weren't even concieved of being put on WWI era tanks, why would the British suddenly consider them for use on more modern vehicles? (Also, it never had any armor defeating rounds.) When taking this into consideration, suddenly the Medium Mk.1 begins to make more and more sense. When you look at other nations 47mm guns, they typically fall into either tiers 2 or 3. The OQF 3pdr. would be no diffrent, and as Xlucine pointed out, thier performance is roughly similar to the Soviet 45mm guns which are also seen at tier 1. Not only that but if the current existing 2pdrs. in the game are to be represenitive of the 2 pdrs. that the British will recieve, then the OQF 3pdr. would likely be the lowest tiered weapon on the Medium Mk.1! (Unless of course, they throw a machine gun on it.) Then there is the matter of the 94mm CS gun, which was a pretty common weapon on most interwar British tanks. If you think that the Mk.1 had OP armament before, how would you feel about a tier 1 with a derp? Now before you run for the hills screaming "Trophy_Wench inadvertedly proved my point!!!" and soforth, one must look at the total package. The Medium Mk.1 is slow, has poor armor and probably will have poor traverse as well, allowing it to be easilly flanked by the various light tanks it faces. In addition, the 94mm will be inaccurate, slow to reload and can only fire HE rounds. While this still give the Mk.1 one-shot capability against other tier 1's, it's own soft stats as well as the tanks stats will self nerf the gun to death; it would be a very situational weapon. The only real advantage that this tank has over its tier 1 contemporaries is simply the fact it has these weapons in the first place. Properly supported, Medium Mk.1's would be able to use thier heavy firepower to breakthrough enemy lines, or hold a defensive posisition better than thier lighter teammates. This means that this slow, poorly armored, heavily armed medium tank will have more relavance in game than a slightly faster, better armored and worse armed light tank that couldn't do much for or against anyone.
Edited by Trophy_Wench, Sep 11 2012 - 17:17.
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