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[Snib]

gilrad, on Mar 01 2012 - 07:09, said:

Wow, looking at the EU snapshot, the deviation values are really high! is this because you calculated it differently, or does the larger EU population affect it in some way, or is it a difference in EU playstyle (e.g. more casual gamers)?

Actually your numbers are closer to that if you look at the unrestricted sample. The rest is the fact that your data currently is for the server's lifetime while EU is a 2-week time-frame.

[tiggerwof]

Funny T34 tops list of worst W/L ratio. Look how many times KV is played in matches...just wow

So glad I FINALLY received the new M103 tier 9 USA heavy last month...oh wait...that change is coming in March...or now maybe April.

Are there any stats for maps with the most DRAWS?

[tomego]

I was wondering if you could post a comparison of the percentage of battles played at a given tier compared to a few months ago. I think the server is becoming top heavy and it would be interesting to see if it is the case or if I am just getting worse luck grinding out new lines through tier 6.

Your data is from the lifetime of the server but it would be interesting to see for the month of February the numbers compared to the month of October from last year. Because of the numbers, each month makes the numbers slowly move. You mentioned that the playing of tier 9 and 10 had gone up significantly from last time, I would like to see some data that is clean of outside influences. Just a pure month compared to another month, not the slow change between months as data is accumulated.

[Dr_zoidberg01]

haha of course JT has the lowest win rate. Yet still no buffs for it.

[Snib]

tomego, on Mar 07 2012 - 07:25, said:

I was wondering if you could post a comparison of the percentage of battles played at a given tier compared to a few months ago.

Sorry, I cannot, I have no data from back then.

Dr_zoidberg01, on Mar 08 2012 - 06:43, said:

haha of course JT has the lowest win rate.

Actually it's ahead of the T95 in the new snapshot that I just took, both in the 150+ battles and the unrestricted rankings (will update OP later). Don't forget that the data currently in the OP covers server lifetime.

The 704 remains far ahead of them both though.

[Snib]

OP updated with new data. The tank stats are now only for the last month, i.e. game version 0.7.1, and no longer for the server's lifetime.

Unfortunately, due to a missing comma in one line of code I didn't grab any achievement data this time. Category will return next snapshot.

To compensate I added the list of the "Best 10 tanks by global win ratio".

In the tank stats sections, you can see French auto-loaders dropping quite a bit in performance already, expect this trend to continue. So far they remain ahead of the competition, however.

Rather massive influx of last-minute T34 grinders, with nearly 17% of all current owners having obtained it last month.

[booch60]

Getsome, on Feb 09 2012 - 22:53, said:

Since this is US server, I suspect people start playing WoT by grinding to Sherman.  They hit Lee, decide game sucks, then rage quit.  

Edit: Hey wargaming, fit the Lee with anti-tank missiles.  You'll probably retain more newbs that way.

me too ,but I came back to it a few months later and it was not so bad http://forum.worldof...mile_unsure.gif

[Steeltrap]

KV
1,722,172 // 49.49%

Type 59
1,154,292 // 52.60%

Löwe
963,593 // 46.07%

PzKpfw VI Tiger
881,768 // 46.05%

VK 3601 (H)
851,641 // 50.43%

This tells you something, doesn't it?

2nd and 3rd most played are premmies.

And look at the win rate of Type. It has stood out like that forever, yet people love to say how it isn't special. Maybe it isn't, but its win rate is essentially as good as all other tier 8 meds (other than the Lorrainie that stands out by a mile). That's interesting given how everyone swears blind it is clearly inferior; well the stats don't support such a statement. Bear in mind these numbers are NOT for the total life of server, so even following the MM amendment for Type it remains a stand out when you consider its number of battles. No wonder lower tiers hate them with a passion.


Interesting, too, that the Soviet vehicles seem to occupy top spot in most categories until you look at those playing more than 150 battles (if I read it properly), in which case they fall to maybe 2nd place. I wonder if that's because the Sov vehicles seem more playable as stock (IS gets best engine and 100mm gun without ANY exp assuming you researched them at tier 6, for example)?

Thanks as always for the data.

Cheers

[Snib]

Steeltrap, on Mar 09 2012 - 00:32, said:

This tells you something, doesn't it?

2nd and 3rd most played are premmies.

And look at the win rate of Type. It has stood out like that forever,

It's actually interesting because the Type 59 has been dropping in popularity on EU ever since it was removed from the store, last EU snapshot it was only 5th place after having been close to first place before the change. Löwe isn't even in our rankings.

If you look at player numbers, the ratio of premium tanks to total players is considerably higher on your server than on ours.

If you only compare the Type 59 (which has a considerably higher win ratio on EU btw):

• US: 1,154,292 battles, 20,162 players out of 26,567 total owners.
  
• EU: 1,425,354 battles, 33,877 players out of 43,169 total owners.

EU had 540,178 active players last month, whereas you had roughly half that (219,026).

So with only 50% of the player base, you managed 80% of the amount of battles with 60% of the Type 59 players out of 62% of the owners that EU had.

If you look at the Löwe, it's even more pronounced:

• US: 963,593 battles, 17,392 players out of 29,826 total owners.
  
• EU: 937,435 battles, 24,140 players out of 40,787 total owners.

So again with 50% of the player base, you managed 103% of the battles with 72% of the players out of over 73% of the owners that EU had.

Sounds like a combination of US players loving to grind and being more used to spending money on free to play titles. The US server is possibly more profitable for WG on a gold bought per player comparison, but of course such information is not public.

[Steeltrap]

Snib, on Mar 09 2012 - 00:54, said:

~ lots of interesting stuff ~

Sounds like a combination of US players loving to grind and being more used to spending money on free to play titles. The US server is possibly more profitable for WG on a gold bought per player comparison, but of course such information is not public.

Yes. I have long suggested the NA server should get a more prominent say in things like MM etc if one were to consider how profitable it is per account. Indeed, a smaller player base with higher revenue per active account might prove even MORE profitable as it would require fewer resources (servers etc) to run. Right now it might seem the NA server gets ignored on its most frequent complaints - MM tier spread, I'm looking at you - on the grounds the pop is so small. But if that same pop generates a disproportionate amount of revenue, ignoring its requests seems like a pretty stupid strategy.

As you said, we don't get that info (and never will). Pity, because it might make for some VERY interesting reading. Comparing the numbers of premmy tanks alone might prove informative.

Cheers

[Mow_Mow]

Could you do a comparison between lifetime and this Feb-March snapshot for victory ratios of French tanks? It seems it would be interesting to see if they fell, and if so, by how much. Particularly tier 7 and up.

[Snib]

Mow_Mow, on Mar 09 2012 - 04:07, said:

Could you do a comparison between lifetime and this Feb-March snapshot for victory ratios of French tanks? It seems it would be interesting to see if they fell, and if so, by how much. Particularly tier 7 and up.

The unrestricted Stats for each tank already have a CHANGE column between this and the last snapshot. It's right after WIN_RATIO.

[Nuckchorris]

EXEOBUREC, on Feb 11 2012 - 12:25, said:

looks strange -  KV 5 is very very good tank - really strange that it has so bad stats here - looks like you  guys just dont have balls to use it properly))) KV-5 is perfect ASSAULT tank - that means you just hit pedal to the floor and go forward till you kill someone by hitting it puffy tank with yours 100 tonn 40 km per hour  solid body, then you must shoot other enemies in weak spots with  the gun till you  maneuvering for the new direction. just dont think that kv-5 is regular heavy tank - its big mistake and you just cant kamp on them or doing some regular stuff/ Squad of 3 kv-5 is really bad thing for enemy.

The KV-5 has one of the biggest, most visible and easiest to hit weakness in the game. When driven by morons, it's a pretty ineffective tank. When driven by a pro, the R2-D2 turret is still there. Anybody who knows where to shoot you will own you.

[Nuckchorris]

Well well well. Looks like the Lorraine will be nerfed and there is nothing the desperate "ZOMG THE TANK IS FINE! DON'T NERF IT!" hypocritical Lorraine owners can do about it.

[Blackiey]

I still don't get why people prefer Tiger(H) over Tiger(P)?

[Blackiey]

Nuckchorris, on Mar 09 2012 - 10:32, said:

The KV-5 has one of the biggest, most visible and easiest to hit weakness in the game. When driven by morons, it's a pretty ineffective tank. When driven by a pro, the R2-D2 turret is still there. Anybody who knows where to shoot you will own you.

Is it the little nod before the turret?
I'm trying to find KV-5's weak point, but that is the only one I found.

[Shadow__]

Mow_Mow, on Mar 09 2012 - 04:07, said:

Could you do a comparison between lifetime and this Feb-March snapshot for victory ratios of French tanks? It seems it would be interesting to see if they fell, and if so, by how much. Particularly tier 7 and up.

As snib said, there is a change column added (I also asked for it a while ago ).

French mediums are still overperforming by a lot and are not dropping that much. For example,

Batchat 55.42%   -1.66%
Lorraine 57.32%           -1.75%

Both are around 5-6% above their peers. Assuming the current trend, it would take 3-4 more months to get them equal, so the change doesn't seem to cut it atm. If the devs have any similar data at hand, I'd expect some heavy batting, most likely included in 7.2

[Mow_Mow]

Snib, on Mar 09 2012 - 08:20, said:

The unrestricted Stats for each tank already have a CHANGE column between this and the last snapshot. It's right after WIN_RATIO.

Ah. Thanks, I was looking at the wrong chart.

Interesting to see that French high tier tank win ratios are dropping across the board.

Shadow__, on Mar 09 2012 - 20:06, said:

As snib said, there is a change column added (I also asked for it a while ago ).

French mediums are still overperforming by a lot and are not dropping that much. For example,

Batchat 55.42%   -1.66%
Lorraine 57.32%           -1.75%

Both are around 5-6% above their peers. Assuming the current trend, it would take 3-4 more months to get them equal, so the change doesn't seem to cut it atm. If the devs have any similar data at hand, I'd expect some heavy batting, most likely included in 7.2

I'm expecting this drop to accelerate because the slower it takes for someone to climb the tree, the more likely it is that they have lower average experience, and therefore, tend to suck. So I think generally average players are reaching those tiers now, and then worse players will follow.

[Snib]

Well, looking at the nerfs across the board in 0.7.2 they'll drop for sure. Although gonna be interesting to see what the income nerf to mediums but buff to AMX 13 90 is gonna do, haha. In particular since AMX 13 90 is already one of the most profitable tanks out there. Sometimes I just don't get what WG is thinking (making tier 6 - 8 more expensive is clearly to get people to get through them as fast as possible, but why buff the lights?).

[Silty]

There may not a pro-Russian bias, but the stats show a clear anti-American bias.  This is especially evident with the last snapshot.